HISTSEX ARCHIVES: NOVEMBER 1999
© Lesley Hall and list contributors
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:38:45 +0100
From: Erik Ruendal <erik@ruendal.tue.bawue.de>
Subject: Re: E. Thoeny (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Th=F6ny?=) and Drawings of German officer
corps
My paperback encyclopedia (Meyers) gives the following entry (my
translation):
Thöny, Eduard, b. Brixen 9 Feb 1866, d. Holzhausen (=Utting a. Ammersee)
26 July 1950, Austrian caricaturist. - Since 1897 permanent staff with
the "Simplicissimus" in Munich; now and then socio-critical.
Maybe the "Brockhaus" has more information, but I don´t have it handy.
Hope this helps, best, Erik.
Mal123nash@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'm translating Hirschfeld's Homosexuality of Men and Women. He makes a
> reference to E. Thöny: "...or drawing general conclusions about the qualities
> of our officer corps from E. Thöny's drawings." I'd like to make an
> asterisked note if I could explain who Thöny is.
> Michael Lombardi-Nash
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From: Mal123nash@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:19:29 EST
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20E.=20Thoeny=20(Th=F6ny)=20and=20Drawings=20?=
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?of=20German=20officer=20corps?=
In a message dated 11/1/99 6:47:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
erik@ruendal.tue.bawue.de writes:
<< aybe the "Brockhaus" has more information, but I don´t have it handy.
Hope this helps, best, Erik. >>
Dear Erik, thank you for your help and your reply. You gave me all the
information I needed. You will now be immortalized in the acknowledgements in
our translation of Hirschfeld's book:)
The book will be expensive, but I just wanted to send this link for your
information.
With best wishes,
Michael
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:16:54 +0000
From: Ianthe <ianthe@duende.demon.co.uk>
Subject: 1980s oral history symposium, London
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SECTION 28 AND THE REVIVAL OF GAY, LESBIAN
AND QUEER POLITICS IN THE 1980s
5-00pm-7-00pm, Wednesday 24th November, 1999
Senate House,
University of London, Malet Street, WC1
A 'witness seminar' organised jointly by the Institute of
Contemporary British History and the New Politics
Research Group. The aim of a witness seminar is to
allow those involved in an important historical event to
record their experiences and discuss the issues arising
from the event with each other and the audience, many of
whom will have been involved themselves. Entry is free.
All Welcome.
Panel Includes:
Angela Mason (Stonewall)
Peter Tatchell (Outrage)
Lisa Power (Stonewall/Outrage)
Rebecca Fleming (London Stop The Section)
Sue George (Bisexual politics activist)
Sue O'Sullivan (Activist and commentator)
For more information or to register in advance to be sure
of your place contact Virginia Preston:
vpreston@ICBH.ac.uk
The seminar is sponsored by Dept. of Politics, Sheffield
University; Dept. of Sociology, Open University; Dept. of
Sociology and Anthropology, University of East London.
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 02:22:53 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_E._Thoeny_(Th=F6ny)_and_Drawings__of_?=
German officer corps
Dear Michael,
you should certainly get B.Hergemoeller, Mann fuer Mann. Biographisches
Lexikon" (gay) Hamburg, Maennerschwarmskript, 1998, which has very many gay
bio's from the German speaking countries, but not (to my surprise) the one
you were asking for. There will soon be a review of this book by Hubert
Kennedy in the Journal of Homosexuality, I understood.
Sincerely yours,
Gert Hekma
At 02:19 PM 11/1/99 EST, you wrote:
>Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
>In a message dated 11/1/99 6:47:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>erik@ruendal.tue.bawue.de writes:
>
><< aybe the "Brockhaus" has more information, but I don´t have it handy.
> Hope this helps, best, Erik. >>
>Dear Erik, thank you for your help and your reply. You gave me all the
>information I needed. You will now be immortalized in the acknowledgements
in
>our translation of Hirschfeld's book:)
>The book will be expensive, but I just wanted to send this link for your
>information.
>With best wishes,
>Michael
>
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: George Cecil Ives
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:57:36 -0000
Angus:
Ives had published by the mid-1930s a couple of works which were (in his
characteristic oblique fashion) apologias for homosexuality and pleas for a
reform in the law and attitudes - one was The Continued Extension of the
Penal Law and the other was on Extraorganic Habits of Animals (I think
that's the title). But I wouldn't be able to guess at what kind of
circulation these had. I would not have considered him a household name -
less so than e.g. Edward Carpenter - though I haven't specifically ever
looked (for example) for letters to the more progressive periodicals on the
subject of persecutions of homosexuals and the dreadful state of the law
which might have brought his name before the public - or a certain section
of it - in the same way as Stella Browne was by shooting off letters about
abortion law reform. He may have had a certain word of mouth reputation -
someone who was as up as Ives on who was 'one of us' was presumably himself
plugged into networks of gossip and information. For a reclusive type Ives
had a wide social circle.
Don't know that this is very helpful!
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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From: A. G. McLaren <amclaren@UVic.CA>
To: Histsex:For historians of sexuality <histsex@listbot.com>
Date: 02 November 1999 19:18
Subject: Re: George Cecil Ives
>Histsex:For historians of sexuality -
http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
>I recently came across the records of a young man involved in a 1937 gang
>that blackmailed homosexuals in England. On occasion the youth called
>himself "George Ives", presumably a mocking tribute to George Cecil Ives,
>the sex reformer. Would anyone know how widely known Ives' writings and
>activities were?
>
>Angus McLaren
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From: "Rictor Norton" <norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: George Cecil Ives
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:08:58 -0000
The fullest account of Ives is in Jeffrey Weeks's _Coming Out_. Ives's
writings and activities were virtually unknown, and still are today (e.g. I
don't think we know his date of death). He was the least scandalous member
of his family, and his homosexual secret society was very secret. There is
no way anyone would call themselves George Ives in "mocking tribute" to
Ives -- unless he personally knew Ives (who like all gay Victorian men was
fond of working class lads). Otherwise it must be mere coincidence, which is
not so romantic.
--
Rictor Norton
mailto:norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/rcnorton.htm
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From: "K" <hvalp@rhk.dk>
Subject: New on the list and seeking information
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:36:40 +0100
Hello all!
Currently working on a post graduate research paper on women in medical =
discourse in Denmark in the period 1870-1910, I have come across two =
names which seems in some way to be relevant to my study, namely a Dr. =
Mandsley (England) and a Dr. Clarke (Boston, US.)
Apparently both were active in my area of interest and delivered =
scientific "proof" that women were biologically incapable of acquiring =
intellectual skills matching those of men. The authority of the two were =
called upon by a member of the faculty board of medicine(a professor) in =
1874 arguing that female students should never be admitted to the =
University of Copenhagen.
The woman in question later became the first female physician in this =
country.
So far I have not been able to find litterature or furtheby any of the =
two doctors, so if anyone on the list should have information concerning =
their works or other litterature relating to the period and subject, it =
would be of great help!
Lars Kolind
Bachelor of history (so far)
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From: "Hall ,Dr Lesley" <l.hall@wellcome.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: George Cecil Ives
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:39:16 -0000
Ives died in 1950 and there is an entry in 'Who Was Who' which describes him
as 'author and criminologist'. His publications listed include 'The
Graeco-Roman View of Youth'. The fact of his making it into WWW suggests
that he was not quite as obscure as all that, though it may have been his
work with bodies like the Howard League for Penal Reform which gained him
admittance.
Material from his scrapbooks was published during the 70s (I think) under a
title something like Scrapbooks of an Edwardian Eccentric.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
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From: Reumann@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:36:43 EST
Subject: Re: MDs in Denmark
Regarding Lars Kolind's questions:
Edward Clarke was a well-known Boston physician who campaigned against higher
education for women. His "Sex in Education; or, a Fair Chance for the Girls"
(1870s) was widely read and debated - Dr. Mary Putnam Jacobi, among other
feminists, wrote some responses to it. He appears often in histories of
gender in the late 19th century - for example, see Mary Roth Walsh's history
of women's medical education - title is something like "Physicians Wanted, No
Women Need Apply."
As for the other doctor, "Dr. Mandsley " could be a mispelling of Henry
Maudsley - try searching for information on that name.
- Miriam Reumann
Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Dept. of Biology & Medicine, Brown University
Providence, RI 02912
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From: "Hall ,Dr Lesley" <l.hall@wellcome.ac.uk>
Subject: Henry Maudsley and female education
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:30:54 -0000
Maudsley is a much-cited late Victorian psychiatrist - possibly because his
views fit so closely with preconceptions about the gender-oppressive and
sexually-repressive agenda of late Victorian medics - I'm not convinced he's
typical or representative. He is discussed in context as a psychiatrist by
Scull, Mackenzie et al, Masters of Bedlam. On his contributions to the
debate on female higher education, and indeed for an overview of the debate
at large, see Katharine Rowold, Gender and Science: late nineteenth century
debates on the female mind and body
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:14:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Herrera <brian.herrera@yale.edu>
Subject: Re: New on the list and seeking information
lars-
You might search for Edward H. Clarke, _Sex in Education; Or, a Fair
Chance for the Girls_ (Boston: James R. Osgood, 1873). Louise Michele
Newman offers a compelling treatment of Clarke in her _White Women's
Rights_ (Oxford 1998).
best/brian
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Brian Eugenio Herrera PhD Program in American Studies, Yale University
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From: "LJ Hall, Historical Studies" <Lisa.J.Hall@bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:06:26 +0000
I was just doing some 'unrelated to my usual work' research around
Saartje Baartman, known in Europe as "The Hottentot Venus" - the
Khoi-Khoi women who was "displayed" arond England and France
(although the circumstances are rather debated)in the early nineteenth
century. Although she's well documented as a cultural/idealogical
symbol the details given of her life are very vague and shifting. I
just came across a very brief reference to her marriage in England and
subsequent bearing of two children and wondered if anyone knew the
source of this information or had any more details about it? If they
did I'd be very pleased to hear.
Thank you very much.
----------------------
LJ Hall, Historical Studies
Lisa.J.Hall@bristol.ac.uk
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From: Mmantissa@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:05:15 EST
Subject: Re: Henry Maudsley and female education
In a message dated 11/3/99 7:35:31 AM Central Standard Time,
l.hall@wellcome.ac.uk writes:
> the gender-oppressive and
> sexually-repressive agenda of late Victorian medics
I am new to the list, and I realize that this is a silly question, but I
really do not understand the difference between "sexual" and "gender." I
know I am supposed to know. If it is too embarrassing, perhaps someone could
answer off list.
Melissa
Mmantissa@aol.com
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Henry Maudsley and female education
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:26:36 -0000
Melissa wrote
>> the gender-oppressive and
>> sexually-repressive agenda of late Victorian medics
>
>I am new to the list, and I realize that this is a silly question, but I
>really do not understand the difference between "sexual" and "gender." I
>know I am supposed to know.
In this context I was using the terms in fairly standard generally
understood ways to refer to Maudsley's medical arguments on the one hand
against the education and political rights of women and on the other to
advance a ferocious anti-masturbation line.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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From: ddh@arts.gla.ac.uk
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:48:12 +0000
Subject: Funding sources - Russian Archives?
I am writing to solicit suggestions for finding funding for a project which gathers
material on queer sexualities in the Russian Federation.
The project, named "GenderDok", is based in Moscow and operates from the
home of a Moscow academic, Viktor Oboin, who receives assistance from
students and from a gay American living in Russia. Since 1994, GenderDok
has been collecting and cataloguing Russian print media output on LGBT
themes: news items, cultural commentary, homophobic journalism, etc. In
addition it has collected an impressive range of Russia's emerging queer press,
especially harder-to-find literary, historical and cultural publications. Since
1995, GenderDok has published "Zerkalo" (The Mirror), a periodic bulletin-
digest which summarizes new acquisitions and Russian media coverage on
LGBT issues. The significance of this work is hard to exaggerate; queer
organizations have come and gone in the rocky transitions of Russian
grassroots politics, but little institutional memory of them remains. GenderDok
is providing present and future researchers with extremely valuable material.
GenderDok's current premises are gradually filling to bursting, and I am working
on a scheme to have some of its files transferred to Homodok in Amsterdam to
relieve the pressure. In addition, I am trying to locate sources of fairly modest
funds (ca. $7,000US) to give the group's activities some stability for the
medium term: to fund purchases of publications and stationery, and to enable
an email address.
Do list members have any suggestions, perhaps of granting agencies they have
approached or know of? Please e-mail me at: ddh@arts.gla.ac.uk
Thanks!
Dan Healey
Wellcome Unit for the History of Medicine
School of History and Archaeology
University of Glasgow
5 University Gardens
Glasgow G12 8QQ
Tel. (0141) 330-5553
Fax (0141) 330-3511
ddh@arts.gla.ac.uk
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: A change is as good as a holiday...
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:53:14 -0000
>about the change in name of the British Society for the Study of Sex
>Psychology to the British Sexology Society.
There's a para or two about the change of name in my article 'Disinterested
enthusiasm for sexual misconduct: the BSSSP 1913-1947' Jnl of Contemporary
History 1996 vol 30, of which I recently discovered I still have a few
reprints. I'll check the refs in my notes and see if I have any further
details
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:01:32 +1000
From: Ivan Crozier <i.crozier@scifac.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: A change is as good as a holiday...
Thanks for the response: I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the
use of the word sexology in America? And what about when it started to
catch on in Britain: it must have been current before the BSSSP became the
BSS? And the Continent (if, indeed, it did). These are idle musings: most
of my research is packed away, as i am going over seas shortly.
Previously I wrote:
>I am hoping that some of you will be able to help me. I am after details
>about the change in name of the British Society for the Study of Sex
>Psychology to the British Sexology Society. Names, dates, politics,
>responses, sources: the usual things which I have not been able to access
>in Texas. Any sources, published or unpublished, will be gratefully
>received.
Cheers, Ivan
Ivan Crozier,
HPS Unit,
Sydney University,
Sydney, 2006,
Australia
email: i.crozier@scifac.usyd.edu.au
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Subject: Q: Sexology and Photography
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:06:27 -0600
From: "Michael J. Murphy" <mjmurphy@artsci.wustl.edu>
Has anyone on the list ever read secondary literature on the use of
photography in sexological studies, especially sexology around the turn
of the (soon to be last) century? Especially interested in the use of
imagery to root theories of sexual inversion in physical anatomy or
physiology.
Best,
Michael J. Murphy, M.A.
Graduate Student, Dept. of Art History and Archaeology
Washington University, St. Louis
mjmurphy@artsci.wustl.edu
"In episode #228, who or what is 'Foucauldian'? We have enclosed a
self-addressed stamped envelope for your convenience."
-Letter to Alison Bechdel, cartoonist of Dykes To Watch Out For
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:56:49 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: Q: Sexology and Photography
Micheal,
the best source is Magnus Hirschfeld, Geschlechtskunde, Vol. 4 (1929 or
1930) which is a collection of images and pictures concerning sexology,
about 600 pages, including many on sexual inversion and hermaphroditism. I
saw it for sale on bookfinder.com but it will be pricy for obvious reasons.
James Gardiner has in his That is a pretty boy (or a title like that) some
sexological pictures, the one I like best is the anus from a pederast from
Ambroise Tardieu, Etude medico-legale sur les attentats aux moeurs (1857)
Gert Hekma
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From: Tim Hodgdon <Tim.Hodgdon@asu.edu>
Subject: QUERY: Cat-calls and Street Harassment (fwd: cross post from H-WOMEN)
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 11:36:49 -0600
From: "Cordery, Stacy A." <STACY@monm.edu>
Reply-To: H-NET List for Women's History <H-WOMEN@H-NET.MSU.EDU>
To: H-WOMEN@H-NET.MSU.EDU
Subject: QUERY: Cat-calls and Street Harassment
Hi everyone,
This should be a fun one. I'm working on an exhibit for The Women's Museum
on sexual harassment on the streets. We want to include a list of the
one-liner cat-calls we women are subjected to every time we dare to go out
in public. We also want to juxtapose this against the kinds of things women
experienced a century ago.
I'm looking for two things here: the most unforgettable, outrageous,
annoying, insulting, etc. -- one-liners you've experienced over the years.
Also, any suggestions where I might find similar historical materials
relating to women's experiences on the streets and in public space during
the 19th or early 20th centuries.
Thanks in advance. For more info on The Women's Museum, check out our web
site at www.thewomensmuseum.org. The museum opens next fall in Dallas, and
is affiliated with the Smithsonian.
Debra Michals
Content Director, The Women's Museum
ABD Ph.D. candidate in American History, NYU
Debra Michals
ABD Ph.D candidate
American History
New York University
dam3385@is.nyu.edu
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:58:52 +1000
From: Ivan Crozier <i.crozier@scifac.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Q: Sexology and Photography
Dear Michael Murphy,
There are some photographs of hermaphrodites in one of the essays (I think
Steakley on Hirschfeld, but do not have a copy handy) in Rosario (ed),
Science and homosexualites, Routledge, 1997. They will suit your purpose.
In Ellis' "Eonism" he mentions an American guy called Flint who photgraphed
a cross-dresser in 1890, but I have never followed that refrence up. In
some of the criminal anthropology texts there are pictorial representations
of different 'classes' which might also be useful.
There are heaps of photographs of Norman Haire in the Sydney Uni Archives,
but that's probably not what you had in mind. I am not sure what he had in
mind, either!
I hope this helps.
Cheers, Ivan
Ivan Crozier,
HPS Unit,
Sydney University,
Sydney, 2006,
Australia
email: i.crozier@scifac.usyd.edu.au
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From: Mal123nash@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:28:51 EST
Subject: Re: Q: Sexology and Photography
Dear Michael,
The most recent publication I saw with photographs was "100 Years of the
Gay Rights Movement in Germany" ed. by Rainer Herrn (NY: Goethe-Institut,
1997) (1014 Fifth Avenue, NY 10028).
With best wishes,
Michael Lombardi-Nash
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000/">CELEBRATION 2000:
Karl Heinrich Ulrichs: 175 Years of Pride</A>
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:46:37 GMT
From: dcsouden@nildram.co.uk (David Souden)
Subject: Q re photography
One of the 'great' Victorians was Arthur Munby, who had a long relationship
with and secret marriage to the maidservant Hannah Culwick. Biographies of
him are extant (Murray), as is her diary/autobiography (Virago) and a
series of publications based on his photographs of working women. Some,
esp. Culwick, posed for him in men's clothing. The original photographs and
his diaries etc are in the Library of Trinity College Cambridge.
David Souden
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:39:23 +0100 (MET)
From: Katrin Rothe <Kat10@gmx.de>
Subject: Friedrich Salomo Krauss
Hello all!
I´m working on a paper on Friedrich Salomo Krauss. Especially, I´m
interested in the biography of Krauss and in the relationship between Krauss and
Sigmund Freud.
So far I have found literature avaible in Germany like the Anthropophyteia
and the Records of the Vienna Psychoanalytic Union. Still I´m after more
sources. I am hoping that someone will be able to help me.
Thanks in advance,
Katrin
Katrin Rothe
Humboldt- Universität
Unter den Linden 6
10099 Berlin
Germany
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:49:37 GMT
From: dcsouden@nildram.co.uk (David Souden)
Subject: More on Q re photography
There is also a growing late 19C emphasis on photography for clinical texts
e.g. on venereal disease. I will need to check refs and send directly.
David Souden
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Subject: Re: Q: Sexology and Photography
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:32:35 -0600
From: "Michael J. Murphy" <mjmurphy@artsci.wustl.edu>
Thanks to all for your wonderful suggestions about sexological (or would
it be sex-illogical?) photography!Just now beginning to broach the topic
from a visual studies point of view. Interesting how photogaphy, widely
derided as only able to record surfaces not depth of character, is used
in a practice attempting to ground behavioral deviance in physical
difference.
Does anyone think there was space for resistance on the part of the
subjects of any of these photos? or were they thoroughly subjected by the
dominant gaze of the lens of the investigator?
Best,
BEst,
Michael J. Murphy, M.A.
Graduate Student, Dept. of Art History and Archaeology
Washington University, St. Louis
mjmurphy@artsci.wustl.edu
"I've always depended on the kindness of strangers." -Blanche Dubois
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:26:08 -0600
From: "M.E. Buszek" <buszekme@chickmail.com>
Subject: Re: Q: Sexology and Photography
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:32:35 Michael J. Murphy wrote:
>
>Thanks to all for your wonderful suggestions about sexological (or would
>it be sex-illogical?) photography!Just now beginning to broach the topic
>from a visual studies point of view. Interesting how photogaphy, widely
>derided as only able to record surfaces not depth of character, is used
>in a practice attempting to ground behavioral deviance in physical
>difference.
One more article to add to the pile. About 5 years ago, the English feminist art historian
Griselda Pollock wrote a piece about Munby's photography, psychoanalysis, and various
relationships to his working-class female subjects. The piece, "'With my own eyes': Fetishism,
the Labouring Body and the Colour of its Sex," was first published in _Art History_ Vol. 17, No.
3 (September 1994): 342-382.
Maria-Elena Buszek
Ph.D. Candidate
Kress Foundation Department
of Art History
The University of Kansas
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:08:41 -0700
Subject: Re: QUERY: Cat-calls and Street Harassment (fwd: cross post from
H-WOMEN)
From: "David Robinson" <dmrobins@U.Arizona.EDU>
I don't know if this fits with your project or not:
About a decade, two lesbian friends of mine were walking hand-in-hand down
the street in New York City. A man standing across the street from them
shouted out "Fags!" as they passed by.
David Robinson
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>From: Tim Hodgdon <Tim.Hodgdon@asu.edu>
>To: "Histsex:For historians of sexuality" <histsex@listbot.com>
>Subject: QUERY: Cat-calls and Street Harassment (fwd: cross post from H-WOMEN)
>Date: Tue, Nov 9, 1999, 2:11 PM
>
> Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:04:50 +0000
From: cristina santos <cristina@fe.uc.pt>
Subject: contraceptive pill
Hi
Does anyone know the year when the contraceptive pill was invented? And
does that same year agree with the time when it became the most used
contraceptive? And who invented it?
Bearing in mind that it had so many effects on how we address sexuality
now-a-days, it's strange that for such simple questions it gets so
difficult to find an complete answer!...
Thanks,
Cris
___________________________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:46:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Tim Hodgdon <Tim.Hodgdon@asu.edu>
Subject: Re: contraceptive pill
According to John D'Emilio and Estelle B. Freedman, the oral
contraceptive pill was approved for public use in 1960
(*Intimate Matters,* 250). They refer readers to James
Reed, *From Private Vice to Public Virtue: The Birth Control
Movement and American Society Since 1830* (New York: Basic
Books, 1978), 311-366.
Tim Hodgdon
Ph.D. candidate
Faculty Associate
Department of History
Arizona State University
Tim.Hodgdon@asu.edu
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From: Reumann@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:54:52 EST
Subject: Re: contraceptive pill
Try either Linda Gordodn's _Women's Body, Women's Right_ or Elizabeth S.
Watkins, _On the Pill_ (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins U. Press, 1999) - both give
timelines on the development, marketing, etc. , of the contraceptive pill.
- Miriam Reumann
Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Div. of Biology and Medicine
Brown University
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Hi there,
David Halberstam's video series "The 1950s" (the volume called something
like "A Consuming Desire") has a great segment on the development and
legalization of the Pill in the United States.
Heather
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:10:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "julie l. thomas" <julthoma@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: contraceptive pill
A great place to read about the invention of the pill is Linda Grant's
text _Sexing the Millenium_. There's a chapter on the pill called the
"off-shore population laboratory" or something along those lines. The
chapter focuses on the eugenic / racist experimentation of the pill on
Puerto Rican women. It includes some interesting commentary/quotes by
those involved in the creation of the pill.
Julie Thomas
Indiana University
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JULIE L. THOMAS
Visting Lecturer
Gender Studies
Indiana University
Bloomington IN 47405
* Course Web Site: http://www.indiana.edu/~gens
* Personal Home Page: http://php.indiana.edu/~julthoma/
Ph.D. Candidate, Russian History and Gender Studies
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:26:14 +1100
From: Hera Cook <hera.cook@history.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: no simple answers - contraceptive pill
> Does anyone know the year when the contraceptive pill was invented? And
> does that same year agree with the time when it became the most used
> contraceptive? And who invented it?
> Bearing in mind that it had so many effects on how we address sexuality
> now-a-days, it's strange that for such simple questions it gets so
> difficult to find an complete answer!...
If by complete you mean simple, it is hard to find such an answer because the
issues are very complicated and there are no simple answers.
The most important person in the invention of the pill is possibly Magaret Sanger
who conceived of the idea during the interwar period and persuaded Katherine
McCormick, an ex-suffragette who had married the heir to the Harvester Tractor
fortune to donate money for the early research. Pharmaceutical companies and
academic institutions would not get involved because contraception was an
unacceptable topic. From this point on there are very many men and few women
involved in the development (except in the UK where the Family Planning
Association ran additional trials all through the 1960s)
For this part of the history I think Bernard Asbell's _The Pill_ Random House,
1995 is an enjoyable accessible read. Lara Marks has been writing an academic
history of the scientific and medical development of the pill which is being
published by Yale University Press very soon - maybe even this year. There is a
self-aggrandising account by Carl Djerassi who contributed a small part of the
chemical development and wants to be known as the 'father of the pill' -
interestingly he made stacks of money out of his work unlike Sanger and
McCormick.
To respond to a couple of other suggestions - For the trials - E.Seigal-Watkins
and Linda Grant represent opposite ends of the spectrum on the issue of race and
the pill - the former is, in my opinion naive - while the latter is presenting an
argument first put forwards in the 1970s. This does not acknowledge the fact that
the pill was also tested on white women and that many of those involved in the
Puerto Rican trials were genuinely caring about women in poverty. However on
balance I think Grant (or Linda Gordon's marvellous book ) explain more of the
world in the 1950s and 1960s than Seigal-Watkins does, but you will have to read
both and decide.
Tim Hodgdon's date from D'Emilio and Freedman is the best that exists - the FDA
approval of the drug as a contraceptive in 1960 is probably the most important
date in its history. In this instance their stamp of approval was accecpted
throughout the Western world.
My doctorate was initially about the pill and the sexual revolution - did one
take place and what if anything did the pill contribute to it? Seigal-Watkins
argues that the pill did not contribute to the sexual revolution - she is talking
about the USA - I argue that it did - I am talking about Britain. I think she may
be wrong about the USA but I don't know the evidence well enough. Certainly the
history of the pill was different in different cultures. You won't find any easy
answers to this one.
Hera
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:10:06 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: reviewing a book on Havelock Ellis
Dear friends,
a colleague asked me if I knew someone who might be able and like to review
the below-mentioned book. I suppose some of you may have an interest in
doing so. You can get a copy by way of the author whose addres follows below.
Greetings,
Gert Hekma
Chris Nottingham, The Pursuit of Serenity. Havelock Ellis and the New
Politics (Amsterdam University Press,1999).ISBN 90 5356 386 5
By the last decade of his life Havelock Ellis had become an icon of
progressivism in both Europe and the United States, He was revered not only
as the author had done most to unravel the mysteries of human sexuality but
as a pioneer of feminism. His reputation, however, has been in free fall
since his death in 1939. Though still recognised as a pioneer in the study
of human sexuality, he now attracts adverse criticism from those he would
have considered his natural heirs. Feminist authors have been particularly
hostile, identifying him, in his works and his life, as the kind of friend
women would have done well to ignore. While there is no need to set Ellis
back on his pedestal it is clear that recent interpretations have failed to
take account of the times in which he wrote and have underestimated the
breadth of his contribution to progressive thought on both sides of the
Atlantic.
Chris Nottingham examines these neglected areas considering Ellis as public
health enthusiast, penal reformer, eugenicist, campaigner for
internationalism, and promoter of the works of Ibsen and Nietzsche, as well
as reinterpreting the better-known works on gender and human sexuality. He
argues that behind the apparent variety of Ellis's interests was a unifying
vision which first came to him as an eighteen year old but was reinforced
in the generational movement which swept through London in the 1880s. It
within this movement, the 'anti-Victorian revolt', that Ellis was able to
find friends and an audience and to take the first steps in a career which
was to lead to international fame and notoriety. It was here that the
multiplicity of progressive enthusiasm became forged into the 'new
politics'.
Later historians have largely ignored Ellis preferring to concentrate on
the radicals who promised a direct political road to the better future. In
recent years he has been grudgingly afforded credit as a pioneer of the
scientific study of sexuality, identified as the predatory male in feminist
clothing, vilified for his unconventional sexual tastes, but more commonly
ignored. However, the collapse of socialist political hopes in our own
times and the reformation of progressive opinion around ethical themes
suggest that this neglect should not continue. This investigation
therefore, in offering a reappraisal of the work of Havelock Ellis, also
indicates ways in which the progressive tradition itself might be usefully
re-examined.
Chris Nottingham teaches politics at Glasgow Caledonian University and is a
visiting research fellow in the Faculty of Social and Behavioural Sciences
in the University of Amsterdam.
****************************************************************************
Chris Nottingham EMail: C.Nottingham@Gcal.ac.uk
Dept of Social Sciences Phone: +44 141-331-3169
Glasgow CALEDONIAN University Fax: +44 141+331+3439
Glasgow
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:10:32 +0100
From: Erik Ruendal <erik@ruendal.tue.bawue.de>
Subject: Re: contraceptive pill
There was an exhibition on the history of the Pill not too long ago at the
Dresden Hygiene-Museum, and there also is a catalogue available. As far as I
know it is in German only. They also have an internet-page but I cannot find the
address right now. If you would like to have more info don´t hesitate to contact
me directly. HTH, Erik.
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Date: 12 Nov 1999 15:32:03 -0000
From: "Histsex:For historians of sexuality" <histsex-owner@listbot.com>
Subject: Administrative message
As my access to computers/Internet over the next couple of weeks is likely
to be haphazard, I am changing over the list to unmoderated status for the
duration at least. I am sure that the usual standards of civility will be
maintained, but would remind listmembers to make sure they do not send to
the list messages intended for an individual.
Lesley Hall
histsex-owner@listbot.com
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:28:10 -0800
From: Heather Lee Miller <miller.1438@osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Q: Sexology and Photography
Hi there--sorry this is a late response to this query.
Definitely also take a look at Jennifer Terry's new book, _American
Obsession_ (UChicago Press), which deals with sexologists, homosexuality,
and the body, as well as her article (and others) in _Deviant Bodies_ (ed.
Terry and Jacqueline Urla).
>>Has anyone on the list ever read secondary literature on the use of
>>photography in sexological studies, especially sexology around the turn
>>of the (soon to be last) century? Especially interested in the use of
>>imagery to root theories of sexual inversion in physical anatomy or
>>physiology.
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From: "Rictor Norton" <norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: History of Gay Bathhouses
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:02:53 -0000
Some subscribers may be interested in the website (which is fairly new I
think; it's still growing) on the History of Gay Bathhouses by Eddie
Coronado Jr.:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Cafe/8767/
Though it's popular rather than academic, it's a fascinating contribution to
the "social geography" approach to sexual subcultures. It's very well
illustrated, with photos of the baths, some of their customers, artwork used
to decorate them, contemporary advertisements, pages from diaries, etc.
--
Rictor Norton
mailto:norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/gayhist.htm
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From: Mal123nash@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:58:40 EST
Subject: Re: History of Gay Bathhouses
In a message dated 11/13/99 10:12:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk writes:
<< http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Cafe/8767 >>
Dear Rictor,
What a great discovery. As you may know, I'm translating Magnus
Hirschfeld's "The Homosexuality of Men and Women." Because I saw many
references to bathhouses, I began to index them. For example, I thought it
was interesting to discover that around of the turn of the century, it cost
one dollar to get into a bathhouse in New York. I also learned something
about baths' attendants. Anyway, I came to respect the idea of baths and the
people who run them.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:08:30 +0000
From: "Diane Mason" <d.mason@bathspa.ac.uk>
Subject: Pro-Onanism doctors?
Dear all,
Does anyone know whether the American doctor Alice Bunker Stockham ever
pronounced favourably about the 'benefits' of masturbation for both
sexes? According to an essay I read on the net recently, this is indeed
the case but this really doesn't bear out the views of Stockham put
forward in her volume Tokology: A Book for Every Woman, published in
England and the USA around the turn of the century. If anyone knows
anything about her, I would appreciate some clarification on this
matter.
Indeed, did any nineteenth-century doctors endorse the 'solitary vice'
in any way? I know James Paget was a lot less scathing than many but
were there any more? From a nineteenth-century homosexual perspective
too, was masturbation viewed in a more favourable light than sodomy as a
sexual practise by the medical profession? All comments on these
questions will be invaluable to my research and very gratefully
recieved.
Thank you all and best wishes,
Diane Mason
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:15:19 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: Pro-Onanism doctors?
Dear Diane,
according to the book of J.Stengers and A.Van Neck, Histoire d'un grand
peur: La masturbation, Brussels 1984, there are several physicians who did
not follow the majority's re/abjection of masturbation. The book of
T.Tarczylo, Sexe et liberte au siecle des Lumieres, Paris 1983, discusses
specifically Tissot and what came after him.
In the Dutch context I found a small case history of a physician who got a
young man as a patient who asked the doctor to remove his balls because he
was addicted to onanism, knew the relevant literature and wanted to get rid
of his unwellcome desires. The doctor said to him that these books were not
so reliable, and were meant to make profit for the publishers who knew the
desire of youngsters to read about sex, that the consequences of
masturbation were not so bad as he thought, and he should keep the organs
that made him a man. The boy left the doctor but was soon back, having cut
one of his balls himself!
Having read most of the medical journals of the time, I have to say there
were very few messages about masturbation in the 19th C. for the
Netherlands, and indeed very few suggestions for therapy or mechanical
devices against it.
One journal (1882) also quoted Lasegue (who invented the word
exhibitionist) who said that masturbation was a result of a mental disease,
and the problem was not masturbation, but the mental disease. He advised
not to struggle against self-stimulation (which Lasegue considered to be
harmless), but to deal with the cause. In 1899 another journal quoted
Loewenfeld who even should have stated that masturbation enhanced the
health of the person, and that Tissot was completely mistaken about the
dire results of the practice.
Regarding masturbation and homosexuality, I would suggest that the change
from a perspective on masturbation from a fear for the physical
consequences of these practices to a view that stressed that masturbation
was an asocial sex act and homosexuality not, resulted in a certain upscale
valuation of homosexual acts compared to onanism. The older theories
stressed that the vice of self stimulation would lead to more vicious
lusts, f.e. rape, sodomy and bestiality (f.e. in Kaan 1844), so same-sex
acts were graded lower and considered to be much worse than onanism, but
since 1900 with an ideology of relationships and democratic sex,
homosexuality fared much better than it did before, and some doctors may
have considered it less damming than masturbation, while others might still
have the old hierarchy in their minds that homosexuality was worse than
self-stimulation that was only a stage that kids passed through.
The case is in: W. Mees, Een geval van auto-castratie, Nederlandsch
Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde, 23:30 (1879), pp. 449-451.
Hope this helped you,
Gert Hekma
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:47:41 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. G. McLaren" <amclaren@UVic.CA>
Subject: Re: Pro-Onanism doctors?
Stockham believed that intercourse was a spiritual exercise so actually
opposed masturbation. In Karezza (1896) she stated that men were to be
taught that it was unmanly to lose their 'seed' as it was to cry. Marital
intercourse was to take place once every 2 to 4 weeks, perhaps only once
every 3 to 4 months. In Tokology she lamented the fact that "we teach the
girl repression, the boy expression." What she wanted was greater
restrictions for both, a single sexual standard.
As regards doctors' views I don't think you will find any in the 19th
century that would say onanism was a good thing, but some accepted that it
was not as dangerous as Tissot claimed.
Angus McLaren
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:20:59 -0500
From: Sheila McManus <smcmanus@YorkU.CA>
Subject: Re: QUERY: Cat-calls and Street Harassment
By far the weirdest thing I've ever had yelled at me was "hey, you from San
Francisco?", as my girlfriend and I walked by a group of young men in
Toronto one summer evening holding hands. Now, maybe in the twilight they
mistook us for two gay men (unlikely but then I don't credit harassers with
much intelligence) or they just associate all us homos with the fair city
of San Francisco.
Sheila McManus
* * * * * * * * * *
Sheila McManus
Ph.D. Candidate, Department of History, York University
smcmanus@yorku.ca
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:47:41 -0700
Subject: Re: QUERY: Cat-calls and Street Harassment
From: "David Robinson" <dmrobins@U.Arizona.EDU>
I know that the following isn't an example of street harassment, but I
thought I'd share it anyway:
When the Lesbian Avengers were first organized in New York City, they handed
out a lot of palm cards with their address, phone number, etc. Almost
immediately, some man left a message on their answering machine, calling
them cocksuckers.
David Robinson
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:06:54 +0000
From: cristina santos <cristina@fe.uc.pt>
Subject: Anthropology and homosexuality
Hi. I'm not sure if i already sent you this one. If so, I apologize; if
not, enjoy it!
I was doing a little research on the Internet and I found an interesting
paper at the American Anthropological Association site, which some of the
list members might find useful. So, there it is:
http://www.aaanet.org/colgiarpt.htm
Greetings to all,
Cris
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From: "Chris Willis" <chris@chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: cyber-fem: pill taking
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:03:51 -0000
Hi!
Yes - this is a real problem. The warning on some brands simply says that
the Pill "may react badly with some antibiotics" or words to that effect.
In fact, many antibiotics simply stop the Pill from working, and you could
end up pregnant. Doctors tend to assume women already know this, but most
of us don't!
All the best
Chris
=========================================
Chris Willis
English Dept
Birkbeck College
Malet Street
London WC1E 7HX
Chris@chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Zoetanya Sujon <zsujon@hotmail.com>
To: alridley@hotmail.com <alridley@hotmail.com>
Cc: skemp@chat.carleton.ca <skemp@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: 21 November 1999 17:38
Subject: Fwd: cyber-fem: pill taking
>Histsex:For historians of sexuality -
http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
>Hi,
>
>Sorry again for the mass mailing - I just thought that this information on
>the pill might be of interest to you - or people you know. I certainly
have
>never heard about the pill's susceptibility to other drugs before. This
>segment is from a discussion list on reproductive technology (e-mail:
>cyber-fem@hsphsun2.harvard.edu). I apologize in case of cross-postings.
>
>
>Cheers,
>Zoe
>
>
>>>From: "KATHRYN OTHS" <KOTHS@tenhoor.as.ua.edu>
>>>
>>>Another major but less than well-known reason for women getting
>>>pregnant while using the pill is that antibiotics render the pill
>>>ineffective. Physicians often forget to alert women to this problem
>>>with unfortunate consequences. (Many of the 500 women in a recent
>>>NIH study I conducted on job strain and low birth weight cited
>>>antibiotic use as the reason they got pregnant while "on" the pill.
>>>I'm sure many more of those with unplanned pregnancies had them for
>>>this reason without realizing it.)
>>>
>>>Kathryn Oths
>>>Associate Professor
>>>Department of Anthropology
>>>University of Alabama
>>>
>>Good point, Katha. Here are some drugs that interact with the Pill.
>>
>>Acetaminophen: the Pill makes it less effective for pain relief.
>>Alcohol: the Pill potentiates its effects.
>>Anticoagulants: less effective
>>Antidepressants: potentiation
>>Barbiturates: decrease Pill effectiveness
>>Penicillin: ditto
>>Tetracycline: ditto
>>Vitamin C: increases estrogen concentration (most pills have estrogen
>>and
>>progestin)
>>Source: Hatcher et al (l988:222-223)
>>
>>Elena Hannah
>>Psychology Department
>>Memorial University
>>
___________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hephaistion question
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:06:37 -0800
From: "andrei-f" <andrei-f@goplay.com>
I would be grateful for historical references to the relationship
between Alexander and his friend.
Thank you
Andrei
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:11:03 -0800
From: Karen Duder <kduder@UVic.CA>
Subject: Bisexual Women & Identity
*Apologies for double postings*
Does anyone out there know of any new (1995-9) works on bisexual women,
besides Paula Rust's _Bisexuality and the Challenge to Lesbian Politics_,
Beth Firestein's _Bisexuality: The Psychology and Politics of an Invisible
Minority_, and Kristin Esterberg's _Lesbian and Bisexual Identities_? I'm
looking particularly for material that examines the construction of
subjectivity. I've also looked at _Bisexuality: A Critical Reader_ and
_RePresenting Bisexualities_. Suggestions? Others might be interested in
titles too, so you could reply to the list rather than to me personally.
Many thanks,
Karen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karen Duder PhD Programme
Department of History Email kduder@uvic.ca
University of Victoria Dept. Phone (250) 721-7382
P.O. Box 3045 Dept. Fax (250) 721-8772
Victoria, B.C. V8W 3P4
CANADA
"Any measurement must take into account the position of the observer.
There is no such thing as measurement absolute, there is only
measurement relative. Relative to what is an important part of the
question." Jeanette Winterson, _Gut Symmetries_
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
___________________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:27:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucy Bland <l.bland@unl.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Bisexual Women & Identity
Another book that you could look at is "The Bisexual Imaginary"
edited by Bi Academic Intervention (P. Davidson et al) Cassell,
1997.
On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:11:03 -0800 Karen Duder <kduder@UVic.CA> wrote:
Lucy Bland
---------
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From: "Zoetanya Sujon" <zsujon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: cyber-fem: pill taking
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:04:00 GMT
Hi,
Sorry again for the mass mailing - I just thought that this information on
the pill might be of interest to you - or people you know. I certainly have
never heard about the pill's susceptibility to other drugs before. This
segment is from a discussion list on reproductive technology (e-mail:
cyber-fem@hsphsun2.harvard.edu). I apologize in case of cross-postings.
Cheers,
Zoe
>>From: "KATHRYN OTHS" <KOTHS@tenhoor.as.ua.edu>
>>
>>Another major but less than well-known reason for women getting
>>pregnant while using the pill is that antibiotics render the pill
>>ineffective. Physicians often forget to alert women to this problem
>>with unfortunate consequences. (Many of the 500 women in a recent
>>NIH study I conducted on job strain and low birth weight cited
>>antibiotic use as the reason they got pregnant while "on" the pill.
>>I'm sure many more of those with unplanned pregnancies had them for
>>this reason without realizing it.)
>>
>>Kathryn Oths
>>Associate Professor
>>Department of Anthropology
>>University of Alabama
>>
>Good point, Katha. Here are some drugs that interact with the Pill.
>
>Acetaminophen: the Pill makes it less effective for pain relief.
>Alcohol: the Pill potentiates its effects.
>Anticoagulants: less effective
>Antidepressants: potentiation
>Barbiturates: decrease Pill effectiveness
>Penicillin: ditto
>Tetracycline: ditto
>Vitamin C: increases estrogen concentration (most pills have estrogen
>and
>progestin)
>Source: Hatcher et al (l988:222-223)
>
>Elena Hannah
>Psychology Department
>Memorial University
>