HISTSEX ARCHIVES: December 2000
© Lesley Hall and list contributors
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:31:43 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: [histsex] "sadism" as a term
Dear all,
Krafft-Ebing indeed coined the term sadism in a sexual sense; and he did so
in a booklet he published in 1890, and then it was transported to the 5th
or 6th edition of the Psychopathia sexualis. See Harry Oosterhuis' new book
on Krafft-Ebing which is titled something like "Stepchildren of nature" and
was published by Chicago UP. Interestingly, Sade himself was more of a
masochist than a sadist, see my fc. article (in German, in English on my
website) on Sade, masculinity, and sexual humiliation for the
Oesterreichische Zeitschrift fuer Geschichtswissenschaften which will have
this month a special issue on masculinities.
Gert Hekma
At 21:44 30-11-00 -0800, you wrote:
>Histsex:For historians of sexuality -
http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah/listinf.htm
>
>hi all
>I'm wondering who coined the term "sadism." I'm taking a course on
>libertine literature & we're finishing the term with Sade. Someone in class
>asked about "sadism" as a term. What I've found on my own follows:
>
>>From Krafft-Ebing's _Psychopathia Sexualis_ comes this coy little footnote
>(a.k.a. footnote # 12 from Chapter 4)
>
>"So named from the notorious Marquis de Sade, whose obscene novels treat of
>lust and cruelty. In French Literature the expression "Sadism" has been
>applied to this perversion. Eulenberg ("Klin. Handb. der Harn und
>Sexualorgane") uses the term "active algolagnia" in connection with these
>phenomena" (417).
>
>>From Vernon A. Rosario's _The Erotic Imagination: French Histories of
>Perversities_ (recommended to me by Gayle Rubin for info on French
>sexologists)
>
>"The usage of sadism in the French press was so common that when
>Krafft-Ebing first used the term in medicine he observed that it was already
>a 'mot courant' in French literature" (149).
>
>MY CONCLUSIONS: Kraff-Ebing appears to be the first scientific-minded
>person to use "sadism" but it seems as though it had appeared in print prior
>to the German edition of 1886. French edition came out in 1895. If memory
>serves I think the first English edition also comes out in, or very near,
>1895 but Rosario doesn't cite it. K-E probably "deserves" credit as first
>"official" (i.e. "scholarly") use.
>
>Krafft-Ebing, Richard von. Psychopathia Sexualis: With Especial Reference
>to the Antipathic Sexual Instinct. A Medico-Forensic Study. Trans from
>12th German ed. by Franklin S. Klaf. New York: Arcade, 1998.
>
>Rosario, Vernon A. The Erotic Imagination: French Histories of Perversity.
>New York: Oxford UP, 1997.
>
>Julie M. Cox
>Literature PhD student, Univ. of Calif. at Santa Cruz
>jmcjls@earthlink.net
Gert Hekma
Gay and Lesbian Studies
Dpt of Sociology and Anthropology
University of Amsterdam
Oudezijds Achterburgwal 185
1012 DK Amsterdam
Phone: * 31 20 525 2226 or 6278877
Fax: * 31 20 525 3010
Email: hekma@pscw.uva.nl
Website: http://www.pscw.uva.nl/gl
___________________________________________________________________From: "Alyson Brown" <alyson.brown@luton.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:21:12 gmt
Subject: Re: [histsex] Cremorne Gardens
Just to thank you to all who gave me information on the Cremorne
Gardens.
Cheers
Alyson Brown
___________________________________________________________________
From: "Natalia Gerodetti" <splndg@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:03:40 +0000
Subject: Re: [histsex] European 'gay' magazines 1900-1940s
Alison,
Switzerland had a journal that was running for quite a while named
"Der Kreis". It had international distribution and at times featured
contributions in German, French and English. Hubert Kennedy
published some material in the Journal of Homosexuality in 1999,
but didn't cover the early years of the journal as far as I can
remember. Kennedy, H. (1999) 'The Ideal Gay Man: The Story of Der
Kreis', Journal of Homosexuality, Vol. 38 (1/2): 1-229
Natalia
_________________________________________________
Natalia Gerodetti
School of Sociology & Social Policy
University of Leeds
Leeds LS2 9JT
UK
++44 113 233 4786
___________________________________________________________________From: "Dalley-Crozier ,Dr Ivan" <i.dalley-crozier@wellcome.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: [histsex] "sadism" as a term
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:21:57 -0000
Dear Gert,
As I am currently writing on masochism, I was keen to see your essay which
you mentioned in your posting this morning, but I am afraid the server would
not let me have it. Would it be possible to email it to me? (English
version)
I hope all is well.
Cheerio, Ivan
============================================
Ivan Dalley Crozier,
i.dalley-crozier@wellcome.ac.uk
"An entertaining essay might perhaps be
written on the sexlessness of historians;
but it would be entertaining and nothing
more: we do not know enough either about
the historians or sex."
--Lytton Strachey, 1931
============================================
___________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:00:38 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: RE: [histsex] "sadism" as a term
Dear Ivan,
I suppose something went wrong. I will try to find the text and attach it
for your appreciation somewhere over the next few days. I can send you also
an off-print of another recent article on Sade as predecessor of the gay
movement but it is in German only....
I suggested Steakley (now in Berlin) and Harry Oosterhuis and Marita
Keilson to do a small symposion on early sexologists (Steakley works on
Hirschfeld, Keilson could do Friedlaender) and we considered somewhere next
May (2001). Are you still in London, and it this a good time for you to
come to Amsterdam? When will your book be published (we might request
Chicago UP to pay some money while doing a book promotion for you and
Harry)? We will try to scrape together some money at this side for such a
study day.
Tell me what you think of it,
Cheerio,
Gert
___________________________________________________________________
From: David Greenberg <david.greenberg@nyu.edu>
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:53:30 -0500
Subject: Re: RE: [histsex] "sadism" as a term
Hi, Gert. This article on de Sade sounds interesting. Could you send me
a copy too? Thanx. David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York
University, 269 Mercer St., Rm. 402, New York, NY 10003
___________________________________________________________________
From: "Matthew Johnson" <trekdrop78@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [histsex] European 'gay' magazines 1900-1940s
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:29:40
harry oosterhuis and hubert kennedy edited a special issue of journal of
homosexuality a number of years ago which contains a number of translated
excerpts (plus invaluable background and commentary) from "der eigene,"
often (dubiously?) referred to as 'the world's first homosexual periodical'.
This was republished in book form by haworth press as "homosexuality and
male bonding in pre-nazi germany."
sorry i don't have dates on publications. the magazine ran from the 1890s
until the 1930s. hope this helps.
Matthew Johnson
Department of History
University of Michigan
___________________________________________________________________From: "Brian Dempsey" <editor@scolag.org.uk>
Subject: [histsex] Intro - Brian Dempsey
I understand there is a traditional of introducing oneself on joining the
list.
My name is Brian Dempsey and I am a research student at the School of Law,
University of Edinburgh. I am also editor of SCOLAG Legal Journal
(www.scolag.org.uk) and, to 31/12/00, research officer for Outright Scotland
(www.outright-scotland.org).
My thesis is "Changing Scottish Families" focusing on the development of
the regulation of adult relationships in Scotland over the last 80 years or
so. I have prepared a draft chapter on the extinguishing of certain
irregular forms of marriage in 1939. My concern is with which groups were
influential in driving reform. My LLM dissertation was on C19th sodomy
cases in Scotland and I retain an interest in homosex/queer history.
My rather meagre publications include
1999, "Abuse of Trust: criminalising consenting adult behaviour?" 1999
_SCOLAG_ 77
1998, "Piecemeal to Equality; Scottish Gay Law Reform" in L. Moran et al
(Eds) _Legal Queeries_ (Cassells; London)
1995, _Thon Wey; Aspects of Scottish lesbian and gay activism 1968-1992_
(USG; Edinburgh)
Brian Dempsey
Editor, SCOLAG Legal Journal
mailto:editor@scolag.org.uk
http://www.scolag.org.uk
Brian Dempsey
Research Officer, Outright Scotland
mailto:research@outright-scotland.org
http://www.outright-scotland.org
___________________________________________________________________From: Richard Mark Cleminson <r.m.cleminson@Bradford.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] European 'gay' magazines 1900-1940s
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:06:50 -0500 (EST)
Alison
Just to report absences, too: there was no Spanish pro-gay journal that
I know of during this period. There were a few publications, books,
novels, and the like, that did appear, however. More info from me if
you like.
Richard Cleminson
----------------------
Dr. Richard Cleminson
Lecturer in Spanish Studies
Modern Languages
University of Bradford
West Yorkshire
BD7 1DP
tel. + 1274 234595
fax. + 1274 235590
r.m.cleminson@bradford.ac.uk
___________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:19:24 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: [histsex] article on sade and sexual humiliation
Cc: i.dalley-crozier@wellcome.ac.uk, docx2@ix.netcom.com
Dear friends,
here is attached the article on Sade, masculinity and sexual humiliation.
If you can't open it, please let me know. The article will be published
these days in the Austrian Journal for Historical Sciences, but the last
paragraph (the importance of Sade for contemporary times) has been aborted.
If you know a place where the article could be published, please let me know,
Gert Hekma
Gert Hekma
Gay and Lesbian Studies
Dpt of Sociology and Anthropology
University of Amsterdam
Oudezijds Achterburgwal 185
1012 DK Amsterdam
Phone: * 31 20 525 2226 or 6278877
Fax: * 31 20 525 3010
Email: hekma@pscw.uva.nl
Website: http://www.pscw.uva.nl/gl
___________________________________________________________________
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:39:38 +0000
From: Diane Mason <d.mason@bathspa.ac.uk>
Subject: [histsex] (no subject)
Subject:
Date:
Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:38:48 +0000 (GMT Standard
Time)
From:
Gina Wisker <G.Wisker@anglia.ac.uk>
Please sign and pass on the petition below
Subject: Afghanistan
If you decide not to forward this, please send it to
sarabande@brandeis.edu <mailto:sarabande@brandeis.edu>.
This is an actual petition, and "signatures" will be lost if
You drop the line. I don't know if this is going to help but take 3
minutes
out of your life to do your part.
Madhu, the government of Afghanistan, is waging a war upon women. Since
The Taliban took power in 1996, women have had to wear burqua and
have been beaten and stoned in public for not having the proper attire,
even if this means simply not having the mesh covering in front of their
eyes. One woman was beaten to death by an angry mob of fundamentalists
for
accidentally exposing her arm (!) while she was driving. Another was
stoned
to death for trying to leave the country with a man that was not a
relative.
Women are not allowed to work or even go out in public without
a male relative; professional women such as professors, translators,
doctors, lawyers, artists and writers have been forced from their jobs
and stuffed into their homes. Homes where a woman is present must have
their windows painted so that she can never be seen by outsiders. They
must
wear silent shoes so that they are never heard. Women live in fear of
their
lives for the slightest misbehaviour. Because they cannot work, those
without male relatives or husbands are either starving to death or
begging
on the street, even if they hold Ph.D.s. Depression is becoming so
widespread that it has reached emergency levels.
There is no way in such an extreme Islamic society to know the
suicide rate with certainty, but relief workers are estimating that the
suicide
rate among women must be extraordinarily high: those who cannot find
proper medication and treatment for severe depression and would rather
take their lives than live in such conditions. At one of the rare
hospitals for women, a reporter found still, nearly lifeless bodies
lying
motionless
on top of beds, wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do
anything,
but slowly wasting away.
Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners, perpetually
rocking or crying, most of them in fear. When what little medication
that is left finally runs out, one doctor is considering leaving these
women
in front of the president's residence as a form of protest. It is at the
point where the term "human rights violations" has become an
understatement.
Husbands have the power of life and death over their women relatives,
especially their wives, but an angry mob has just as much right to stone
or
beat
a woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or
offending them in the slightest way. Women enjoyed relative freedom: to
work,
to dress generally as they wanted, and to drive and appear in public
alone
until only 1996. The rapidity of this transition is the main reason for
the
depression and
suicide; women who were once educators or doctors or simply used to
basic
human freedoms are now severely restricted and treated as subhuman in
the
name
of right-wing fundamentalist Islam. It is not their tradition or
'culture,'
but it is alien to them, and it is extreme even for those cultures where
fundamentalism is the rule.
Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence, even if they are
women
in a Muslim country. If we can threaten military force in Kosovo in the
name
of human rights for the sake of ethnic Albanians, citizens of the world
can
certainly express peaceful outrage at the oppression, murders,
Northridge, CA
___________________________________________________________________From: Lesley Hall <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] (no subject)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:51:57 GMT
Please could people not post chain-emails to the list?
According to the Urban Legends site, www.snopes.com.
circulating this petition does no good at all:
[quote]
'Conditions in Afghanistan are pretty much as
described in this
petition....
Even so, signing it won't do any good. The petition
-- a
well-meaning individual effort of one person at
Brandeis
University -- isn't going anywhere. The e-mail
address it was to
be directed to has been turned off. These days,
anything sent to
<sarabande@brandeis.edu> bounces, with the sender
receiving
a standard note from the mailer daemon to the
effect that the
account has been disabled due to volume.... Please
do not forward unverified chain letters, no
matter how compelling they might seem.
Propagating chain letters is specifically
prohibited
by the terms of service of most Internet
service
providers; you could lose your account.'
[unquote]
Further details can be found by going to the above
site and using the site search engine to search on
'Afghanistan'
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
___________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:34:03 -0500
Subject: Re: [histsex] <no subject>
From: "Jane H. Rothstein" <jane_rothstein@mindspring.com>
As well meaning as this petition is, it indeed does NOT authentically come
from the Brandeis sender purported. The inauthenticity of this petition has
been discussed on many other lists related to women and gender. If you look
up the email user name in Brandeis's web-based directory, you will get the
following info:
Do Not Respond to Sarabande Afghan Chain
Letter
Department
From the we don't want to hear about this
anymore department
sarabande@brandeis.edu
Whether this petition is a hoax or simply a mistake is hard to know, but
please don't pass it on!
Jane
Jane Rothstein,
Ph.D. Candidate
Department of History and
Skirball Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies
New York University
jr231@is5.nyu.edu
jane_rothstein@mindspring.com
"Racing between mysticism and revolution..."
-- Phil Ochs
___________________________________________________________________
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:49:45 +0100
From: Erik Ruendal <e.ruendal@diff.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: [histsex] Afghanistan etc.
Sorry to say that the petition is not longer valid, see
http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blafghan.htm
for details.
Best regards, Erik Ruendal.
---------------------------------------------
Kompetenzzentrum MultiMedia und Telematik -
http://kmmt.diff.uni-tuebingen.de
Virtuelles Graduiertenkolleg - http://www.vgk.de/
Konrad-Adenauer-Strasse 40, D-72072 Tübingen
Fon: +49 707 197 9201, Fax: +49 707 197 9100
Email: e.ruendal@diff.uni-tuebingen.de
___________________________________________________________________From: "HELLEN" <hrharr@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Afghanistan etc.
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:54:25 +1300
ive seen this petition on other email lists.. gender lists.. that i belong
to..
when it comes to these things i just shelve em.. in the too hard basket and
toss em out after a few days.. i dont really bother with em anymore..
___________________________________________________________________
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:43:59 -0500
From: Gail Bederman <Gail.Bederman.1@nd.edu>
Subject: [histsex] Don't reply to Afghanistan Chainletter
Please don't respond to "Sarabande's" Afghanistan chain letter.
It was started about 2 years ago by a well-meaning Brandeis
University undergraduate who had no idea how much e-mail her chain
letter would generate. It evidently nearly broke the Brandeis
internet system, for awhile, until they closed her mailbox.
(Nor do the Taliban care a great deal about internet chain letters
in formulating policy decisions on women, quite frankly.)
Brandeis University has asked people not to reply. I have posted
their message, below, along with another website on the topic of this
chainletter.
(there are a lot of these types of efforts floating around, and I
answered them myself for awhile. But if they don't have a date, you
can be pretty sure it's not worth answering, and may have even been
circulating for years to no effect, like a cyperspace Flying
Dutchman).
Gail Bederman
University of Notre Dame
From Brandeis University website,
http://www.brandeis.edu/unet/newschainletter.html
1999
Chain Letter Announcement
An unauthorized mass mailing recently went out to
most UNet users soliciting email to
sarabande@brandeis.edu. Please do not respond in
any way; the owner of that address no
longer wants the mail. Due to unmanageable
volume, the sarabande address has not been
receiving email since January 3rd, and will never
be a valid email address again.
postmaster@brandeis.edu will answer no more
questions about this issue. Please do not
initiate or propagate chain letters. For some
examples of past chain letters, see
http://www.nbi.dk/~dickow/stop-chain-letter.txt
http://athos.rutgers.edu/~watrous/pbs-funding-chain-letter-petition.ht
ml
http://www.wish.org/home/frame_chainletters.htm
http://www.cancer.org/chain.html
See also
http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blafghan.ht
m?pid=2733&cob=home
This one includes a longer version of Brandeis's explanation of what
happened to "Sarabande"
___________________________________________________________________Date: 4 Dec 2000 13:07:35 -0500
From: "M.E.Buszek" <buszekme@chickmail.com>
Subject: [histsex] Fact-checking chain letters
Hi, all...
I'll second Lesley's urging of everyone to *check* on chain letters before sending
them, which you should ALWAYS do whenever someone sends you any kind of
chain letter--be it an offer, a "charity chain," or a virus warning--that you're tempted
to pass on. (I have yet to have recieved an e-mail on anything except the "End
Hunger" site that was TRUE...and we're talking *dozens* of chain letters/virus
warnings, ALL FAKES.) Save these URLs or this e-mail, and check them in the
future before passing these things along:
<http://www.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm>
<http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html>
<http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/index.htm?rnk=c1&terms=urban+legends>
<http://www.snopes.com>
or
<http://www.mcafee.com/
(If you've already sent the Afghanistan petition out to people, please pass these
URLs along to them!)
Many thanks,
Maria Elena Buszek
___________________________________________________________________From: "Rictor Norton" <norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] European 'gay' magazines 1900-1940s
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:26:17 -0000
Daniel Eisenberg in his article on "Granada" in the _Encyclopedia of
Homosexuality_ (1990) suggested that there was one Spanish pro-gay journal
during the late 1910s-early 1920s: the newspaper _El defensor de Granada_.
He has also identified what may be the first gay travel guide in any
language, Martínez Sierra's _Granada: Guía emocional_. Eisenberg wrote a
longer article on this: "Una temprana guía _gay_: _Granada (guía
emocional)_, de Gregorio Martínez Sierra (1911)", in _Erotismo en las letras
hispánicas. Aspectos, modos y fronteras_, ed. Luce López-Baralt and
Francisco Márquez Villanueva (Mexico City: El Colegio de México, 1995), pp.
111-120. This article was available from him in electronic form when his
e-mail address was <deisenbe@MAILER.FSU.EDU>, but I'm not certain if he is
still at Florida State University (Dept of Modern Languages and
Linguistics).
--
Rictor Norton, London
mailto:norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk
___________________________________________________________________From: "Brian Dempsey" <editor@scolag.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [histsex] Fact-checking chain letters
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:31:39 -0000
Is it usual/necessary to get multiple messages about things like chain
letters? I thought I was joining a list to receive messages about the
history of sexuality. The chain letter wasn't relevant, nor are all these
messages.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: histsex-return-2023-53482989@listbot.com
[mailto:histsex-return-2023-53482989@listbot.com]On Behalf Of M.E.Buszek
Sent: 04 December 2000 18:08
To: histsex@listbot.com
Subject: [histsex] Fact-checking chain letters
Histsex:For historians of sexuality -
http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah/listinf.htm
Hi, all...
I'll second Lesley's urging of everyone to *check* on chain letters
before sending them, which you should ALWAYS do whenever someone sends you
any kind of chain letter--be it an offer, a "charity chain," or a virus
warning--that you're tempted to pass on. (I have yet to have recieved an
e-mail on anything except the "End Hunger" site that was TRUE...and we're
talking *dozens* of chain letters/virus warnings, ALL FAKES.) Save these
URLs or this e-mail, and check them in the future before passing these
things along:
<http://www.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm>
<http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html>
<http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/index.htm?rnk=c1&terms=u
rban+legends>
<http://www.snopes.com>
or
<http://www.mcafee.com/
(If you've already sent the Afghanistan petition out to people, please
pass these URLs along to them!)
Many thanks,
Maria Elena Buszek
___________________________________________________________________From: Lesley Hall <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [histsex] Fact-checking chain letters
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:11:05 GMT
Brian Dempsey wrote:
> Is it usual/necessary to get multiple messages about
things like chain
> letters? I thought I was joining a list to receive
messages about the
> history of sexuality. The chain letter wasn't relevant, nor are all these
> messages.
It's precisely because the chain letter was not only
not directly relevant to the list, but not doing any
good, that messages were being sent to the list - and
as for the multiplicity, it would surely be sensible
to assume that individuals independently sent their
comments re not propagating these before they had seen
the others: when messages arrive in particular inboxes
depends on the idiosyncracies of servers, whether
individuals download messages in batches or whatever.
This sort of problem, ditto spam, that the list has
been off active moderation for a long while. Please
let's keep it that way.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
___________________________________________________________________
From: Lesley Hall <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [histsex] Fact-checking chain letters
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:15:31 GMT
Sorry - final sentence should have read
> This sort of problem, ditto spam, HAS BEEN SO
INFREQUENT that the list has
> been off active moderation for a long while. Please
> let's keep it that way.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
___________________________________________________________________
From: Europamoon7@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:26:30 EST
Subject: Re: [histsex] <no subject>
I have seen this petition from human rights groups as well. Is is
frabricated?
Andrea
___________________________________________________________________From: Europamoon7@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:29:01 EST
Subject: Re: [histsex] European 'gay' magazines 1900-1940s
I am interested in the practice of incest during ancient Rome, I would like
to know more about the consequences, frequency, commonality among royalty as
well as non-royalty. Can you help me?
Andrea
___________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:59:04 -0500
From: fcwsrc <fcwsrc@wscenter.hampshire.edu>
Subject: [histsex] Research Associateships
FIVE COLLEGE WOMEN'S STUDIES RESEARCH CENTER
A collaborative project of Amherst, Hampshire, Mount Holyoke, and
Smith Colleges and the University of Massachusetts, Amherst
The Center invites applications for its Research Associateships for
2001-2002 from scholars and teachers at all levels of the educational
system, as well as from artists, community organizers and political
activists, both local and international. Associates are provided with
offices in our spacious facility, computer access, library
privileges, and the collegiality of a diverse community of feminists.
Applications are accepted for either a semester or the academic year.
The Center supports projects in all disciplines so long as they focus
centrally on women or gender. Research Associateships are
non-stipendiary.
However, international applicants with expertise in transnationalism,
diasporic communities, multiculturalism, or global development may
apply for one of the three special one-semester Ford Associateships
for Fall 2001, which offer a stipend of $12,000, plus a $3,000
housing/travel allowance in return for teaching (in English) one
undergraduate women's studies course at the University of
Massachusetts, Amherst. The research of Ford applicants should focus
on gender, race, ethnicity, class and sexuality within the context of
globalization. Preference given to those whose work crosses
traditional academic boundaries. Ford applicants may work on any and
all regions of the world and need not be studying their own region of
origin.
Applicants for all programs should submit a project proposal (up to 4
pages), curriculum vitae, two letters of reference, and application
cover sheet which is available on the web page. In addition, Ford
applicants should submit a one-page description of a women's studies
course they are prepared to teach, which includes their pedagogical
goals and techniques.
Submit all applications via email or to:
Five College Women's Studies Research Center
Mount Holyoke College
50 College Street
South Hadley, MA 01075-6406
Deadline is February 9, 2001.
For further information, contact the Center at:
TEL 413.538.2275, FAX 413.538.3121
email fcwsrc@wscenter.hampshire.edu
website: http://wscenter.hampshire.edu/
___________________________________________________________________From: "Thomas, Julie Lynn" <julthoma@indiana.edu>
Subject: [histsex] Afghani Women petition
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:30:24 -0500
For those of you who aren't interested in the struggle of Afghani women,
delete this message! But I believe the following information may interest a
number of subscribers to this list, and will give direction to those who are
interested in participating in current gender and sexuality struggles for
freedom in a concrete way.
FYI, Andrea, the petition is not fabricated, but it is dated and pointless
in terms of impact.
Anyone interested in supporting women in Afghanistan should go to the
following website:
http://www.feminist.org/afghan/intro.asp
Julie Thomas
Visiting Lecturer
Gender Studies
Indiana University
___________________________________________________________________From: Mal123nash@aol.com
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:04:44 EST
Subject: [histsex] Karl Ulrichs
As promised, a website in the form of a festschrift (memory book) has been
created commemorating the 175th jubilee birthday anniversary of Karl Heinrich
Ulrichs. He is the first known Gay activist.
The web address for the memory book is:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000/memory.html
The memory book may also be found at:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000
and choosing "Memory Book 2000"
Paul Nash and I hope you enjoy the commemoration.
With best wishes,
Michael Lombardi-Nash, Ph.D.
Jacksonville, Florida, USA
pnash2@aol.com
___________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:41:49 -0800
From: Heather Lee Miller <miller.1438@osu.edu>
Subject: [histsex] Berks commentator/chair sought
Hello,
We are looking for a chair and commentator for our Berks panel (June 2002),
which looks at sex workers, sex work, and sexuality in the past in new and
innovative ways. If you are interested (or know of anyone who might be at
this admittedly late date!) and would like more information please contact
me privately at miller.1438@osu.edu
thanks,
Heather Miller
PhD candidate, history
Ohio State University
___________________________________________________________________From: Kazetnik@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:59:47 EST
Subject: [histsex] Dr Jekyll query
I'm posting this on behalf of one of my students. All responses gratefully
received, not least to plug gaps in my own knowledge!
"I am a final year undergraduate writing a project with a working title of
'Jekyll and Hyde: masturbation -- autoerotic or homoerotic?' I would be very
grateful for any help or comments on this theme in the novel. Thank you.
Lyndsey Russell"
Chris White
___________________________________________________________________
From: Lesley Hall <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Dr Jekyll query
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:29:58 GMT
> 'Jekyll and Hyde: masturbation -- autoerotic or
homoerotic?' >
I addressed the mastrubation qn (though not its
application of J&H) in my 'Forbidden by God, despised
by men' Journal of the History of Sexuality, 1992,
reprinted in J Fout, Forbidden History, 1992.
I'm not sure I see it as a major element in J&H, but
in the classic 30s film (though not, I think, the
original novel) of Frankenstein it seemed to me there
was a masturbational subtext (the hero is engaged to a
gorgeous woman but prefers to go lock himself up in a
tower and do something which does have some twisted
relationship to normal reproduction... And the actor, ?
Colin Clive, had a certain public-school presence
which made this even more plausible)
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
___________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:26:00 +0000
From: Diane Mason <d.mason@bathspa.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] <no subject>
Dear All,
Please accept my apologies for posting the petition on the list. I am relatively new to all
this, the said document was sent to me unsolicited and it was posted in complete innocence.
It will not happen again.
I apologise profusely for any offence or inconvenience caused by the document.
Yours sincerely,
Diane Mason
___________________________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:23:54 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: [histsex] European 'gay' magazines 1900-1940s
Dear friends,
Paul Snijders has made a list of all "homosexual" journals pre WW II in
Europe as he intended to make a book on this topic. Please write him if you
are interested in this list: paulsn@cistron.nl He is willing to answer your
questions on this topic.
Gert Hekma
---------------------------------
---------------------------------
Gert Hekma
Gay and Lesbian Studies
Dpt of Sociology and Anthropology
University of Amsterdam
Oudezijds Achterburgwal 185
1012 DK Amsterdam
Phone: * 31 20 525 2226 or 6278877
Fax: * 31 20 525 3010
Email: hekma@pscw.uva.nl
Website: http://www.pscw.uva.nl/gl
___________________________________________________________________From: "Rictor Norton" <norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Sexuality and Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:59:49 -0000
I forward the following from another list, as some members may be interested
in writing a history of sexual technology.
--
Rictor Norton, London
mailto:norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk
==================================
Sexuality & Culture
Special Issue on Sexuality and Technology
Sexuality & Culture, a quarterly interdisciplinary journal
published by Transaction Publishers at Rutgers University,
seeks submissions for a special issue on sexuality and
technology. Topics to be considered include (but are not limited to)
sexuality and the internet, telephone sex services, sex toys, censorship of
sexual technologies, victimization by sexual technologies, or other issues
related to this topic.
Please send abstracts or draft articles by February 1, 2001 to:
Roberto Hugh Potter, Ph.D.
2192 Dering Circle, NE
Atlanta, GA 30345 USA
or electronically at
hbp3@cdc.gov
Final drafts of accepted articles will be due April 1, 2001 for publication
in late 2001 volume.
For those not familiar with S&C, please visit:
www.csulb.edu/~asc/journal.html
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________From: "Hall ,Dr Lesley" <l.hall@wellcome.ac.uk>
Subject: [histsex] FW: History of Rape, v.2.0
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:27:12 -0000
-----Original Message-----
From: a2534304@SMAIL.UNI-KOELN.DE [mailto:a2534304@SMAIL.UNI-KOELN.DE]
Sent: 11 December 2000 11:20
To: WOMEN-SOC-ECON-HISTORY@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Ann: History of Rape, v.2.0
History of Rape: A Bibliography
- Version 2.0 (December 11, 2000) -
<http://www.crosswinds.net/~blaschke/horb/horb.html>
Version 2.0 is now available.
The bibliography contains literature about the history of rape, sexual
child abuse and sexual violence in general. Articles, books and other
tools are listed dealing exclusively or in parts with the topic. Print and
electronic resources are considered. Where possible, links are provided to
sources that are available online, for example, electronic abstracts or
full-texts of print articles.
The compiler of the bibliography is writing a dissertation about rape in
Germany during the Weimar Republic. The bibliography is a by-product of
this work. It aims to give a survey of the number of publications and to
help researchers, students and librarians to find literature. It can be
downloaded as RTF file.
At the moment the bibliography contains mainly English and German titles,
but also French, Italian, Norwegian, Spanish and Swedish literature. There
are no chronological or geographical limitations. It is planned to extend
the bibliography regularly in future. The compiler is still searching for
more articles and books. If you have information to add or if you found a
mistake in the bibliography, please send an e-mail to Stefan Blaschke:
<mailto:a2534304@smail.uni-koeln.de>.
Table of Contents:
About the Bibliography
New Entries
I Bibliographies and Other Tools
II General Works
III Ancient History
II.1 Greek History
III.2 Roman History
IV Medieval History
V Modern History
V.1 Early Modern Times
V.2 19th and 20th Centuries
VI Debate: A Natural History of Rape?
VI.1 Works by Randy Thornhill
VI.2 Critics and Reviews
Sincerely,
Stefan Blaschke.
___________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:47:37 +0000
From: Diane Mason <d.mason@bathspa.ac.uk>
Subject: [histsex] Early Modern Pornography
Hi All,
A colleague of mine is looking for some Early Modern erotic/pornographic
pictures to illustrate a course handbook for her module on the family,
sex and marriage in the period.
Despite much searching on the Internet etc., she has been unable, so
far, to locate anything suitable. Can anyone advise on books etc. where
examples of such illustrations can be found? Any suggestions can be
sent to the list or e-mailed direct to by colleague:
r.anderson@bathspa.ac.uk
Thank you for your help and here's wishing everyone a very merry
Christmas and all the best in 2001
With very best wishes,
Diane.
___________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:23:43 -0500
From: David Nicholas Harley <David.N.Harley.4@nd.edu>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Early Modern Pornography
>A colleague of mine is looking for some Early Modern erotic/pornographic
>pictures to illustrate a course handbook for her module on the family,
>sex and marriage in the period.
Paintings of actresses in Restoration England are often decidedly louche,
showing bare breasts and come-hither expressions. One suspects that they
were commissioned for private display by their aristocratic male friends.
As far as I can recall, there are several online in the Tate Gallery
British collection.
David Harley
Dept. of History
219 O'Shaughnessy
University of Notre Dame
Notre Dame IN 46556
219-631-7313
___________________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:35:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [histsex] Early Modern Pornography
From: Anna Dronzek <dronzea@mrs.umn.edu>
If I recall correctly, the unabridged version of Lawrence Stone's _The
Family, Sex, and Marriage_ (etc.) has some illustrations of early modern
pornography - they might also point your colleague in the direction for
finding more.
AD
___________________
Anna Dronzek
Division of Social Sciences
University of Minnesota, Morris
dronzea@mrs.umn.edu
___________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: [histsex] Early Modern Pornography
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:15:35 -0600
From: "Michael J. Murphy" <mjmurphy@artsci.wustl.edu>
When you say Early Modern I assume you mean the 16th-18th centuries? If
so you might want to look at Lynn Hunt, ed., The Invention of
Pornography: Obscenity and the Origins of Modernity, 1500-1800 (New York:
Zone, 1993). It has few images that might work.
Best,
Michael J. Murphy, M.A.
Doctoral Student, Dept. of Art History and Archaeology
Washington University, St. Louis
mjmurphy@artsci.wustl.edu
"In episode #228, who or what is 'Foucauldian'? We have enclosed a
self-addressed stamped envelope for your convenience."
-Letter to Alison Bechdel, cartoonist of Dykes To Watch Out For
___________________________________________________________________From: Swamp1800@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:04:56 EST
Subject: [histsex] advantages of being handsome
Has anyone written on how good looks helped young men advance in the 18th
century and early 19th century. I'm going over notes Alexander Hamilton made
when he was picking the officer corps for the American army that was to
defeat a feared French invasion in 1798. For example of a Walter Vrooman,
Hamilton noted: "activity make & appearance fit him for appointment -
handsome well built fellow."
Bob Arnebeck
Wellesley Island, New York
___________________________________________________________________From: MillerJimE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:21:11 EST
Subject: Re: [histsex] Early Modern Pornography
In a message dated 12/12/2000 9:58:58 AM Central Standard Time,
d.mason@bathspa.ac.uk writes:
<< Despite much searching on the Internet etc., she has been unable, so
far, to locate anything suitable. Can anyone advise on books etc. where
examples of such illustrations can be found? Any suggestions can be
sent to the list or e-mailed direct to by colleague:
r.anderson@bathspa.ac.uk >>
What about renaissance art? Look into discussions of Michelangelo's
Sistine frescos and the loincloths which were painted onto the Last Judgement
figures over the altar. Popular and scholarly works on the recent
restoration of the Last Judgement have discussed the pornographic nature of
the figures as seen by those soon after Michelangelo did the work.
Also Durer produced a series of etchings of various individuals indulging
in various sexual positions. I think these etchings would qualify as
pornography for the early modern period.
Jim Miller
___________________________________________________________________
Date: 13 Dec 2000 09:55:10 -0000
From: "Histsex:For historians of sexuality" <histsex-owner@listbot.com>
Subject: [histsex] List Archives/alternative hosts/introductions
Listbot have informed listowners that they are going to be deleting list
archives over a year old to free up space and increase efficiency, as from
14the Dec. I am intending to create webpages of the older archives, from
the files I've kept of messages (there being no simple way to download
existing archives), and link them to the Histsex page on my website
(http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah/listinf.htm). This is likely to
take some time however. I will keep the list posted on progress.
I'm still considering moving Histsex to a different host, but have been
too busy and too much away from home over the last month or so to give
much time to researching this. I'm still open to suggestions on the
subject.
Finally, usual message to new subscribers: please do introduce yourselves
and your research interests to the list. And indeed, anyone else who has
not done so, subscribers who are starting new projects, etc: please do
post.
With best wishes for the forthcoming holiday season.
Lesley
histsex-owner@listbot.com
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
___________________________________________________________________
From: "James Paterson" <jimjamtwo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [histsex] advantages of being handsome
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:44:42
Recalling some French Enlightenment literature I read a few years ago, I
seem to remember concluding that good looks were an important source of
social mobility in 18th century France. I'm thinking of a novel by Marivaux
(whose title escapes me for the moment) which is about a peasant who enjoys
quite a rapid rise once he reaches Paris on account of his looks and an
altruistic attitude. I also recall thinking, while reading Rousseau's
Confessions, that his looks did him a lot of favours in the earlier part of
his life. Speaking about ancien regime Europe generally, I'd say that good
looks were very important in getting a post as a lacky in the house of a
nobleman. A noble would want anyone wearing his livery to look suitably
impressive.
James Paterson,
Dept of History,
Uni of Sydney.
___________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:54:34 +0100 (MET)
From: <a2534304@Smail.Uni-Koeln.de>
Subject: [histsex] New subscriber
Hello, my name is Stefan Blaschke. I am writing a dissertation at the
university of Cologne about rape in Germany during the Weimar Republic. I
am examing two aspects:
- the legal, medical, sexological, psychological etc. perceptions of rape
- the concepts of combatting and punishment.
I made my Magister Artium (M.A.) in 1998 with an thesis about the
relationship between the chemical company Bayer and the community
"Leverkusen" before the First World War that has been published last year.
Since July 1997 I am maintaining the directory "The History Journals
Guide", since about two years now a part of the WWW-Virtual Library:
<http://www.history-journals.de/>. I published two articles - one in
English, one in German - about history e-journals, distributed through
H-Africa and H-Soz-u-Kult.
At the end of October 2000 I published the first version of "History of
Rape: A Bibliography", also announced on Histsex:
<http://www.crosswinds.net/~blaschke/horb/horb.html>.
Till a little while ago I worked for an internet company to finance my
dissertation.
Sincerely,
Stefan Blaschke.
___________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:52:16 +0000
From: Caroline Warman <cwarman@britishlibrary.net>
Subject: [histsex] Le paysan parvenu and wax anatomies
The novel mentioned below is Le paysan parvenu, by Marivaux. Similarly
applicable is his La vie de Marianne. Women with looks also got on better.
I am a new-comer to the list. My thesis (1998) was on Sade and his
sexualisation of materialism (forthcoming 2001). I have since written on
Custine and the search for homosexual role-models in the early 19th century
(to appear in GLQ Dec 2000 and co-authored with George Rousseau), and am
now contemplating a study on physiognomy and wax anatomies. Do the list
members think that the wax anatomists (Susini and co) moulded the
expressions of faces according to physiognomical principles, both pre and
post Lavater?
Caroline Warman
De Montfort University, UK
___________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:41:43 -0500
From: susan <freeman.145@osu.edu>
Subject: [histsex] introduction
Hi everyone,
I recently joined the list but have not yet introduced myself. I'm a
graduate student in history at Ohio State University (with Heather
Miller, another list subscriber), working on a dissertation on sex
education and girls in the 1940s and 1950s in the US. I'm at the
writing stage, planning to finish this spring, but ultimately I hope
to be able to do more research in order to bring out girls' voices
and perspectives about sexuality and their bodies. As you can
imagine, such sources are not readily available in the archives. The
diss. concentrates on three locations in the US where schools
implemented experimental curricula that dealt with sex in different
ways-- through biology/physiology, life adjustment, and family
relationships. In addition to outlining the national attention to
sex education during this period and detailing the features of the
three case studies, chapters explore themes of gender, biological
sex, and citizenship.
My previous work, which grew out of a master's project completed in
women's studies at the University of Cincinnati, looks at Cincinnati
lesbian feminist community and activism in the 1970s. An article
from this research was published in the Journal of the History of
Sexuality in the Jan/April 2000 issue, arguing that local context is
significant to understanding the course of sexuality-based movements.
In Cincinnati in the 1970s, lesbian feminists began to work on
projects to change the hostile environment in their hometown--so
although they dropped the ball on "lesbian nation" conferences and
even though they traveled to lesbian/gay meccas during the period,
they didn't become apolitical and limit themselves to self-help
activities, as some gay/lesbian movement trajectories have argued or
implied about the 1970s.
While my research up to now has been focused on the twentieth-century
U.S., I'm very interested in thinking globally and further back in
time about issues of sexuality, especially pertaining to girls and
young women. In the future I would be interested in examining
same-sex relationships between students and teachers.
cheers,
Susan
--
Susan K. Freeman
Department of History
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH 43210
614-784-9258
614-688-3092
freeman.145@osu.edu
___________________________________________________________________From: Mal123nash@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:54:07 EST
Subject: [histsex] girl-teacher relationships
In a message dated 12/16/00 11:45:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
freeman.145@osu.edu writes:
> pertaining to girls and
> young women. In the future I would be interested in examining
> same-sex relationships between students and teachers.
>
> cheers,
> Susan
> --
> Susan K. Freeman
>
Hi Susan,
I remember reading a bit (anecdotal) about this subject (girls, young
women, and teachers) in Magnus Hirschfeld's The Homosexuality of Men and
Women. I just translated the 2nd edition (1920). I hope the volume is in some
libraries; I've also seen it on sale, used, for a pittance! Anyway, just
thought I'd let you know.
With best wishes,
Mike Lombardi-nash
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000/memory.html
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000/memory.html">Karl Heinrich Ulrichs: MEMORY BOOK 2000</A>
PS. Your entry in Karl's Guest Book would be greatly appreciated!
___________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:56:58 +0000
From: Ianthe <ianthe@duende.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] introduction
In message <p04320400b66140c4c30d@[192.168.0.11]>, susan
<freeman.145@osu.edu> writes:
<snip>
>In the future I would be interested in examining
>same-sex relationships between students and teachers.
>
>cheers,
>Susan
Hi Susan,
Nearly all the leads I have refer to Europe, but here
they are:
*
Film: _Madchen in Uniform_. 1931. Germany.
Director: Leonitine Sagan. Subtitles.
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0022183
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/www/screeningthepast/reruns/thiele.html
Moving melodrama about a schoolgirl's affair
with a female teacher. Still much acclaimed
today, and available on video, occasionally
popping up at lesbian film festivals. The
novel on which it was based was republished a
few years ago by Virago Press in the UK:
Winsloe, Christa. _The Child Manuela_.
Virago Press. London, 1994.
Information on the German 1930s erotic pedagogy
movement can be found in the Paidika women's
issue:
Sax, Marjan, and Deckwitx, Schuul. (eds.)
_On An Old Bicycle - erotic and sexual relationships
between women and minors_.
PAIDIKA, Volume 2, Number 4, Issue 8, Winter 1992. ISSN 0167-5907.
100pp; special women's issue; 16 papers (some historical),
reviews and interviews, all relating to the topic.
Paidika is a peer-reviewed journal, carried by the
Library of Congress in the US.
See also Thijs Massen's 1990s(?) German-language
book on the German turn-of-the-century pedagogic
eros movement. Sorry, I don't have the title to
hand. I understand an English translation is (was?)
underway for publication as a special edition of
Paidika ?
*
These two items may also be of interest, in
relation to England and France:
'Olivia'. 1951 (France. Dir. Jacqueline Audry.)
Covers similar ground to 'Madchen In Uniform'
(1931), but is nowhere near as positive, seeing
lesbian-teacher crushes as 'phases' which
'healthy girls' should leave behind as they
grow into same-age heterosexuality. From a
pseudonymous novel (1949) by Dorothy Bussey,
sister of English poet Lytton Strachey - pub.
Hogarth Press, 1949. Made into a 1995 radio
play on BBC Radio 4.
Colette. Claudine at School. New York,
1957. (Since reprinted by many publishers)
There has since been some thesis research which
apparently touches on the traditions of erotic
pedagogy in French girl's education suggested
by Colette's book:
Sharif, Gennie.
_Docility, Zeal and Rebellion - culture and subcultures
in French women's teacher-training colleges, c. 1860-1910._
EUROPEAN HISTORY QUARTERLY 24 (2), April 1994. pp. 213-44.
*
England:
There are also some interesting examples among the
schoolgirl fictions of (now trendy-again & reprinted)
writer Angela Brazil:
'Her [Angela Brazil's] attitude of hero-worship was
not outgrown so much as transferred onto other
objects - some of them female,' ...
'Tolerance, of course, was fashionable - and schoolgirls
were dreadfully prone to fads and fashions. "Miss
Dunkworth was immensely popular with the Girls. It was
the fashion to admire her. 'I think the shape of her
nose is just perfect!' declared Francie Shepherd."
Girls were always falling madly in love with one
another, and occasionally with older women; innumerable
friendships "flamed to red heat". The head-mistress in
'A Patriotic Schoolgirl' is forced to cough warningly
from the audience when love-making during a charade
threatens to become too passionate- but "with the usual
disregard for the implications of any situation which
she sets up, Angela Brazil keeps all this firmly on a
sentimental plane; there is no suggestion of the
physical. Her own attitude to emotional behaviour was
less straightforward: she veered from frowning, with
the most starchy of her headmistresses, on "the
sentimental", to condoning the more idiotic of its
manifestations:
"The friendship, which had begun conventionally with the
orthodox 'Miss Lindsay', now expressed itself by
'Margaret', 'Peggy', or such pet terms as 'Carina' and
'Love-angel." '
FROM:
Cadogan, Mary & Craig, Patricia
_"Angela You're a Brick" - a new look at girls fiction from 1839-1975._
London. Gollacz, 1976.
*
Tim Jeal's exhaustive door-stop biography of the founder
of the Boy Scouts also has revelations about the leading
lights of the early Girl Guides - many of them seem to have
been lesbians. This is just a snippet from several pages
of evidence:
"Romantic friendships between senior Guide officials
and ordinary Guiders were sufficiently common to excite
little comment..." [Page 478]
There was certainly a tradition of erotic pedagogy within
sections of the pre-war Boy Scouts, but I don't know if
this was also the case in the Guides.
*
Three UK items not yet seen: may have interesting snippets
or footnotes?...
Vicinus, Martha.
Distance and Desire - English boarding-school friendships.
SIGNS, No. 9, 1984, pp. 600-622.
"You're a Dyke, Angela! - Elsie J. Oxenham and the
rise and fall of the schoolgirl story" (1989), (in:
Lesbian History Group, 'Not a Passing Phase -
Reclaiming Lesbians in History, 1840-1985', The Women's
Press, pp 119-140.)
Oram, Alison, "'Embittered, Sexless or Homosexual':
Attacks on spinster teachers 1918-1939", in: (Lesbian
History Group, 'Not a Passing Phase - Reclaiming
Lesbians in History, 1840-1985', The Women's Press,
pp 99-118.)
*
For examples of modern-day girl/woman-teacher erotic
lesbian relationships in the UK, see:
Sandler, F. (interviewer)
_To Miss with love_.
The Guardian (2), 21.09.93. p.17.
Four interviews with lesbians who fell in love with their
teachers as schoolgirls. In two instances the love was
reciprocated and the interviewees look back on the
experience as being very positive. 'The Guardian' is a
major UK national newspaper. (See full text below...)
...and, not seen, but you can find it in some archive,
and it may be USA:
Beth Kelly.
_On Woman/Girl Love or, Lesbians Do 'Do It'_.
Gay Community News; March 3, 1979.
*
Also - Salon magazine's latest edition has an interesting
lead article, in their _Kids and Sex_ special, which
fields some radical proposals for pedagogy in sex education:
http://www.salon.com/sex/index.html
Yours,
--
Ianthe
_"TO MISS WITH LOVE" - four lesbians recall their own schoolgirl loves._
Interviews by Fiona Sandler.
The Guardian, Women's Page, September 21st 1993.
WHEN I first saw Sandy, I was completely over-whelmed
by her. I was 14 and she walked into the classroom
smoking a cigarette and wrote "Fuck" on the blackboard.
She was American and that didn't happen at our school.
It was an ex-private boys' school and we were only the
second intake of girls. They had to ship in female
teachers - and it was considered churlish not to have
at least five boyfriends.
My crush started off slowly and got bigger and bigger.
I would write her poems in my essays. One time I'd
written a poem all about where she lived -- I'd found
out and looked in the window. She read out the whole
poem to the class. At the end I'd written: "I worship
you so much, I have you on a pedestal." She said: "The
only reason you've got me on a pedestal is to look up
my skirt" and threw it at me. I was mortified. She
suffered it for a long time, about two years. After
one school disco I rang her up, said I had a problem
and that she had to come aria pick me up. She did; it
was about 2am and she took me to Safeway's car park. I
told her I was in love with her and that I didn't care,
I just wanted to kiss her -- and I made her snog me in
the back of her maroon Mini. I told her that I knew I
was always going to feel like this about her, I didn't
fancy anyone else and I couldn't get her off my mind.
She said: "Look, nothing's permanent", drove me back to
my mum and dad's, gave me two Polo mints, said, "You'd
better suck these" and that was that.
We used to hang out a bit together but it was all in my
head. She knew about it but kept me at arms length.
In the meantime, I had become friendly with my French
teacher and her husband, who also taught at the school.
She was 25 and had just made the transition from
student to teacher. I really fancied her and we became
closer. For about a month her husband turned a blind
eye - but then he went back to Paris.
One day I was at my house with my French teacher when
my mum unexpectedly came home and opened the door. Her
hair literally stood on end. I was naked, changing a
record, with my French teacher lying on the bed -- the
last time they'd seen each other was at a parent and
teacher night. I thought it was hilarious -- 15 and my
whole world was shattered. My mum ran next door to get
our neighbours, who were police, to arrest us, she
wouldn't let us leave the house until my dad got home.
When he arrived, he threw her out and told me that
either I changed or left; he didn't want my little
brother turning into a Poof. I knew I couldn't change,
so I went and lived with my teacher.
At the time, I was adamant that I wasn't gay. I didn't
think I was until I was about 19, even though I had
slept with loads of women. I thought I was bisexual.
IN MY second year, when I was 12 or 13, a new teacher
came along, Miss Rogers. She was just gorgeous and
when she asked me to play for the hockey team, I
immediately said yes. It meant playing three or four
times a week and getting up really early on a Saturday.
I hated the game but she WBS the coach, so I knew she
would be there. I'Il never forget the one time when
our school won, I'd scored both goals, and at the end
she came up and gave me a big hug. She was so happy
and I was on cloud nine for days and days.
All this constant hockey playing kept on until my
fourth year, when she asked me if I would try out for
the Edinburgh Young Ladies' hockey team. The situation
was totally out of hand. I was playing hockey all the
time to impress her, but I never enjoyed the game. It
was just to be where she would be. I said yes, of
course, because she was going to coach me personally.
The try-outs were between three and four months away,
and it meant a lot of time with her.
I was constantly attempting to get her attention. I
dyed my fringe red so she would notice me. The hockey
uniform was long green socks and I would wear one long
green sock and one long white sock just because I
thought there might be the remotest possibility that
she would one day come up and asked me why my socks
didn't match.
She was always so nice to me. She was a big Gerry
Rafferty fan, so I went out and bought all his albums.
I remember constantly listening to Baker Street and it
still always reminds me of coming home from hockey
practice.
A week before the try-outs, I went for a coffee with
her after practice. I asked her if she was with anyone
and she said yes, and that she and her boyfriend were
building a house together. I couldn't believe it. She
had to repeat it again and then she told me they were
engaged and planning to get married. That moment was
the end of my hockey career. I never tried out -- I
gave it up completely.
I was 15 and heartbroken but I'm pleased I went through
it. It was my first serious thing for a woman and it
did make me know I was a dyke - I went out with my
first girlfriend a couple of months later.
I WENT to a big comprehensive school in the north of
England and stood out in some ways for being popular
and quite bright. Getting towards 16, I had the usual
traumas of being different -- I knew what lesbians
were, but I certainly wasn't into the idea of being
one. I assumed that none of my peers knew what was
going on but one teacher did and she kept me behind one
day. I was nervous, thinking I had done something
wrong. She said she had noticed I'd changed -- I
wasn't laughing as much -- and that she was concerned.
Was anything wrong I said no, she accused me of lying
and I flounced off. This was reported and I was told
to apologise for being ntde. I went along and she
confronted me: "Maybe I should put it to you like this
-- you're not like the other girls, are you?"
This hit the nail on the head for me. I just sat there
and went to pieces in front of her, I couldn't string a
sentence together. She thought I needed to talk to
someone about it, so she set up us meetlng under the
guise of extra exam tuition. I went to her house after
school once a week and she would literally talk at me
for an hour. My parents thought it was brillant that
she was taking an interest.
After the third time, she said to me: "Maybe I ought to
tell you that I flnd you very attractive." I had mixed
feelings about it -- I felt very honoured but I didn't have
the emotional capacity to deal with it. I did have a crush
on her, which is prob- ably what brought me to her
atten- tion, and if it had been left to run its course.
That's all it would have been. As it happened, we did
have a relationship but I was a nervous wreck at
school. Her O level was the only one I failed. We saw
each other for about 10 months and not a soul Bnew,
which was very stressful. I had to lie to my parents
and my friends, and everyone wanted know who the
mystery man was.
The relationship ended when she said that I had to
choose -- live with her or go. She didn't want anyone
to know, she just wanted me to come and live in her
house. At 16 I was too young to cope with it: she was
12 years older. I thought: "I just can't live like
that." Basically I was scared. If I asked her what
would happen if we were found out, she'd say: "Nobody
will find out if you keep your mouth shut." The power
she had was amazing.
Looking back now, I view the relationship as a good
thing. It made me realise there were other people out
there like me. It enabled me to know that I could make
the choiee but it also confused me in some ways. It
was too much too soon. I was so young and
inexperienced I had moments, though, when I thought:
"This is love."
THE TEACHER I fell in love with seemed really young -
she was 26 -- had huge tits I and was there when, at
14, I was feeling very vulnerable, just after my father
had died. I collected things she threw at me to shut
me up, little bits of chalk; she threw a keychain once.
I kept them in a little box in the attic. I had about
50 notes she'd written. I kept asking to go to the
toilet to get them. I would trace her handwriting and
smell the paper. I raked in her drawers at breaktime
and memorised pieces of information about her. I knew
all her registration numbers and the names and
addresses of all the places where she had taught. I
would watch her play hockey - she was an international
player. I was the only person standing and cheering in
the rain. Once her clogs were stolen on a school
outing and I lent her my trainers. I lied and said I
only lived around the corner, and walked home in my
socks just so she would have her feet in my training
shoes for three whole hours.
When I told her I was in love with her, she said: "I'm
very flattered but I'm not a homosexual. There's
nothing wrong with being one, though. when you leave
school, you'll meet more people like that but right now
there aren't any."
I wrote massive passionate letters to her which I used
to get her to read out loud to me at breaktime. She
never got a break: I would always go up to the staff
room to give her an- other letter: "I love you, I want
you, I really fancy you. If I don't spend my life with
you, I will die. I need to have sex with you." She'd
then keep the letter saying she was afraid of it
falling into the wrong hands.
Summer holidays were the worst I didn't get to see her
for six weeks, but I'd phone her four times a day. I
would cycle to school to stare into the biology lab
where she taught during termtime. I used to try to
smell her in class and if I smelt her up close - she
smelt of Rive Gauche perfume and tobacco - I'd want to
faint, I was so in love with her. I failed all my
examinations because I loved her. Whenever she left
the exam hall after supervising a test, I would leave
as well, even if it was only 10 minutes into the exam,
and follow her along the hall just to have three
minutes alone with her.
We still meet up sometimes. She She says it was the
notes she couldn't handle because she thought they
would ruin her teaching career. She couldn't cope when
I was 13 or 14 but when I got to 16 and more mature,
she couldn't. We both went thmugh such a lot together
that we share a special place in each other's hearts.
Being in love with her made me feel that being gay
meant never being able to get who I wanted, any woman
at all. It would always mean unrequited love, me in
the back- ground staring at some woman who was
untouchable. I thought my whole life would be like
that.
*
The following appeared in "Lesbian Connection" (USA,
November- December 1997) . It is a response to an
article called "Responding to Abuse" that appeared
in an earlier "Lesbian Connection".
About the 15-year-old and abuse: I would like to add
what I think is a unique perspective.
>From 8th grade through my high school graduation I was
in a relationship with one of my coaches. I now have a
14-1/2-year-old dyke daughter who dates and is sexually
active with adult women.
While I abhor all types of child abuse perpetrated by
anyone, straight or lesbian, let's not ignore some
realities here. First, who cares if it is "breaking
the law" to have sex with a minor? In my state it is
also a crime for me to have sex with my wife. The law
has no business in my bedroom, or for that matter,
preventing me from marrying another woman. So let's
not be too fast in supporting the law.
Second, as teens and pre-teens, many women -- straight
and lesbian-- had crushes on older women: teachers,
coaches, actresses, etc. This is natural! And for
some of us, these feelings were reciprocated by the
adult women, and developed into gentle, loving
relationships. Although my coach was closeted, she was
not hesitant to have sex with me at 14 (she was 26).
We parted when I graduated from high school and left
for college. I will always be grateful to her for
bringing me out. And the so-called experts want to say
that I was exploited and manipulated? Give me a break!
Any power imbalance was in my favor -- my coach was
always giving and loving and tender, and never
demanding! Was I damaged by the relationship? Praise
the goddess, no! It did nothing but affirm my love for
women.
I have always been open with my daughter about my
lesbianism. While I would never try to manipulate her
sexuality, I am very proud to be the lesbian mother of
a lesbian daughter! At age nine she started having sex
with other girls with my support and approval. My
daughter looks femme, yet acts very butch and is
completely secure in her sexuality. Her early
experiences were with girls at school, in the
neighborhood, on sports teams, etc. Actually, she had
a lot of them. Then at age 12 she developed a crush on
one of my friends. She told me about her feelings, and
I replied directly and emphatically that I approved.
Since that time she has mostly dated adult women.
Whether we want to admit it or not, there are lots of
lesbians who include teenage girls among the types of
women they find appealing, sexually and otherwise.
As teens, some lesbians had their own loving sexual
encounters with adult women. It is hypocritical for
them to now deny that same opportunity to contemporary
teenage lesbians. To me the ones being controlling and
manipulative are those who tell the teens they must not
have sex with adult women. Now that is control!
Rather than labelling them as "baby dykes" and
dismissing them, we should encourage girls to come out
and support them through mentoring relationships (and
yes, even intimate relationships with adult lesbians
when the feelings are mutual). My wife and I have
dedicated ourselves to being good role models for these
girls. We refuse to dismiss or minimize their
sexuality, and we support their inherent right to
express it, even with adult women.
'Monica', Oklahoma City, OK.
___________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:35:42 -0500
From: Cristina Nelson <crn@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: [histsex] E.M.Pornography
A colleague referred me to a book called _Taking Positions_ which is about
EM porn.
Cristina Nelson
UNC CHAPEL HILL
___________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:40:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Mary-Jo Povisil <lefty@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: [histsex] FEMINIST STUDIES 26.3
The current issue of FEMINIST STUDIES is about to be mailed! The
table of content follows. For more information about the journal,
FEMINIST STUDIES, check out our website at www.inform.umd.edu/femstud.
Table of Content for FEMINIST STUDIES, Vol. 26, no. 3:
A SPECIAL ISSUE/ WOMEN AND THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT
POINTS OF DEPARTURE:
INDIA AND THE SOUTH ASIAN DIASPORA
Ravina Aggarwal "Point of Departure": Feminist Locations and the
Politics of Travel in India
Paola Bacchetta Reinterrogating Partition Violence: Voices of
Women/Children/Dalits in India's Partition
(Review Essay)
Ashwini Tambe Colluding Patriarchies: The Colonial Reform of
Sexual Relations in India
Tanika Sarkar A Prehistory of Rights: The Age of Consent
Debate in Colonial Bengal
Mrinalini Sinha Refashioning Mother India: Feminism and
Nationalism in Late-Colonial India
U. Kalpagam The Women's Movement in India Today
New Agendas and Old Problems (Review Essay)
Richa Nagar Religion, Race, and the Debate over Mut'a in
Dar Es Salaam
Raka Ray Masculinity, Femininity, and Servitude:
Domestic Workers in Calcutta in the Late
Twentieth Century
Sandra Gunning Re-Crafting Contemporary Female Voices:
The Revival of Quilt Making among Rural
Hindu Women of Eastern India
Rosemary Marangoly Calling Kamala Das Queer: Rereading
George My Story
Poetry by Meena Alexander and Kamala Das
COVER ART
Nirmala (designer) and Anita (embroiderer), Collecting Mangoes. Courtesy
of the Asia Society
___________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:25:46 -0800
From: julian carter <jcarter@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: [histsex] QU: Robert L. Dickinson
Dear Histsexers,
I've gotten myself into a pickle and I'm hoping you may be able to help me
out of it. I'm about to give a paper at the AHA in which I need to make
reference to the dates of Robert Latou Dickinson's gynecological practice.
I know roughly when they are (1880-something to 1920ish), but I want
precision here--and I can't locate the exact data, because somebody has
every single book on the history of sexology checked out of the Stanford
library. Help!!
Thank you so much for rescuing me.
Julian
jcarter@leland.stanford.edu
* * * * * * * *
"We must never forget in the present day that those people who have got
their political freedom are not necessarily free, they are merely powerful.
. . . Those who have made the gain of money their highest end are
unconsciously selling their life and soul to rich persons or to the
combinations that represent money. Those who are enamoured of their
political power and gloat over their extension of domain over foreign races
gradually surrender their own freedom and humanity to the organizations
necessary for holding other peoples in slavery."
Rabinadrath Tagore
___________________________________________________________________From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] QU: Robert L. Dickinson
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:43:45 -0000
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm about to give a paper at the AHA in which I need to make
>reference to the dates of Robert Latou Dickinson's gynecological practice.
>I know roughly when they are (1880-something to 1920ish), but I want
>precision here--and I can't locate the exact data,
Dear Julian
According to E Brecher, _The Sex Researchers_ (1969), 'Dickinson practiced
gynecology in Brooklyn and Manhattan from 1882 to 1924; during this period
he accumulated 5,200 meticulously recorded case histories of his women
patients - and from 1,200 of theese women he secured in addition detailed
sexual histories' (pp 153-4)
Hope this is the information you need and that it's accurate.
Best, and cordial greetings of the Solsticial feast (as Stella Browne put it
in one of the letters) to all list-members.
Lesley
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
___________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:33:58 -0800
From: julian carter <jcarter@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: [histsex] Lesley
Lesley,
I'm sure I speak for many when I tell you that you've done a wonderful job
mounting and moderating this list, and generally serving as a resource for
your colleagues. Your efforts make a world of difference. I really
appreciate your taking the time to look up the information I asked for--you
gave me exactly what I needed. So thank you *very* much.
Have a happy winter whatever,
Julian
___________________________________________________________________From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Lesley, blushing
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:56:50 -0000
Many thanks for this kind accolade, which is an encouragement and stimulus
to the banausic task of converting old emails into text pages for mounting
as the list archives, now that these are only preserved for 12 month by
Listbot. (So far up to Aug 1999.)
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
___________________________________________________________________
From: HayGirl99@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:26:32 EST
Subject: [histsex] History of Sex in America
Hi,
I'm trying to get some information on the history of sex in America (from
Puritans to the 60s)--contraception, homosexuality, popular opinions, STDs,
childbirth, etc, etc. Anything on this wide topic would be greatly
appreciated! Thanks!
~Hailey
___________________________________________________________________
From: "Julie Petersen-Gray (COM)" <Julie.Petersen-Gray@unisa.edu.au>
Subject: [histsex] Delist
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:32:18 +1030
I'm sorry to do this to the list address, but could the post master please
delist me as I have to be away for 3mnths(from today), and I have lost the
instructions.
Thankyou
Julie Petersen
South Australian Family Formation Project.
Research Centre for Gender Studies.
University of South Australia
St. Bernards Rd., Magill. S.A. 5072
Phone +61 8 83024574 Fax +61 8 83024393
E-mail julie.petersen-gray@unisa.edu.au
___________________________________________________________________From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Delist
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:49:27 -0000
>I'm sorry to do this to the list address, but could the post master please
>delist me as I have to be away for 3mnths(from today), and I have lost the
>instructions.
Could I remind list members that unsub instructions appear in the footer to
all messages? (see below)
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
___________________________________________________________________From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] History of Sex in America
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:57:37 -0000
>Hi,
> I'm trying to get some information on the history of sex in America
(from
>Puritans to the 60s)--contraception, homosexuality, popular opinions, STDs,
>childbirth, etc, etc. Anything on this wide topic would be greatly
>appreciated!
Americanists on the list may have other suggestions but I believe that
d'Emilio and Freedman, _Intimate Matters: A History of Sexuality in
America_ is a good overview.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
___________________________________________________________________
Date: 27 Dec 2000 05:08:56 -0000
From: "Histsex:For historians of sexuality" <histsex-owner@listbot.com>
To: "Histsex:For historians of sexuality" <histsex@listbot.com>
I have now put up on my website the list archives Jan 1999-Jan 2000, as
flat text files (edited to eliminate duplication and redundancy, also
unsub messages sent to whole list etc, but without much tinkering with
layout). They are available at
http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah/hsxarchs.htm.
If anyone notices missing messages which they are able to replace, please
could you let me know?
Thanks
Lesley
histsex-owner@listbot.com
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
___________________________________________________________________From: Europamoon7@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:18:24 EST
Subject: Re: [histsex] History of Sex in America
I don't know if you checked out History Channel's 'History of Sex' video set,
but part of it is about that time period.
Andrea
___________________________________________________________________From: "Gail Edwards" <consolatio@hotmail.com>
Subject: [histsex] New member introduction
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:23:35 -0000
Dear all,
As requested in the 'Welcome' message to new members, may I briefly
introduce myself to the list?
I am a mature student, currently working on my M.A., which is primarily
focused on 12/13th. century Britain, although I am interested in most
aspects of European medieval history. My interest in the history of
sexuality is concerned mostly with medieval attitudes towards female
sexuality and particularly how women themselves viewed their sexuality.
I realise that at present I have little to offer a list such as this, but as
the purpose of my M.A. is to prepare for a research degree, I hope that one
day I may be able to make a small contribution!
I look forward to being part of this list,
Best wishes,
Gail.
___________________________________________________________________
From: Mary.Philbin@ppfa.org
Subject: [histsex] Vasectomy lapel pins
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:30:20 -0500
Hello!
I was wondering if anyone has any information about vasectomy lapel pins
that were popular in America in the 1970s. A man would wear these pins to
singles clubs to signal potential partners that he was "safe." I have found
a few references but can't seem to find any detailed information.
Thank you and Happy New Year!
Mary Philbin
Planned Parenthood Federation of America Library
___________________________________________________________________From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Vasectomy lapel pins
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:32:33 -0000
> I was wondering if anyone has any information about vasectomy lapel pins
>that were popular in America in the 1970s. A man would wear these pins to
>singles clubs to signal potential partners that he was "safe."
I haven't heard of lapel pins but believe that there used to be special
(neck) ties available in the UK to indicate that the wearer had had the op.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
___________________________________________________________________
From: "Gail Edwards" <consolatio@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [histsex] Vasectomy lapel pins
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:00:06 -0000
Yes, here in the UK there were neck-ties indicating that the wearer had had
a vasectomy; if memory serves they had a little scissors motif! However, I
definately do remember that few women were willing to risk pregnancy on the
reassurance of a neck-tie that any man could easily acquire. Also, it was
something of a standing joke amongst certain types of men, that these ties
could be used as an aid to seduction!
Gail.
___________________________________________________________________
From: "Philip Stokes" <Philip.Stokes@btinternet.com>
Subject: [histsex] Kingdom Swann
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:44:02 -0000
On a lighter level, list members may like to be reminded that BBC1 is doing
"Gentlemen's Relish" at 2120, New Year's
day. This is promoted as an adaptation ["ravishingly shot"] of the novel
"Kingdom Swann: the story of a photographer" by Miles Gibson, London: Black
Swan, 1991. It is a wonderful account of a commercial erotic photographer in
C19 London, and well worth anyone's time to engage with. I look forward to
the TV adaptation, and suspect that it will be of value as an echo of
important aspects in the early crossovers of the histories of
sex and of photography.
It is unwise to make recommendations in advance of an event, but there might
be valuable connections to Nead's "Victorian Babylon" and the marvellous
exposition of Holywell Street to be found there.
Philip Stokes
philip.stokes@btinternet.com
___________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:38:27 +0000
From: Ianthe <ianthe@duende.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [histsex] Weimar Berlin, sex ephemera collection now in book form
Long detailed _Salon_ magazine review:
http://www.salonmag.com/sex/feature/2000/11/22/weimar/
of: _Voluptuous Panic: The Erotic World of Weimar Berlin_
Mel Gordon. Feral House, 267 pages.
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