HISTSEX ARCHIVES: OCTOBER 1999
© Lesley Hall and list contributors
From: "Matthew Johnson" <trekdrop78@hotmail.com>
Subject: German film series at NYU
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 04:12:46 PDT
Was there life before Stonewall? Na klar!
Germany between the World Wars was
witness to some of the most radical
sexual politics of this century. An era
of liberalism during the Weimar Republic
allowed for the open discussion of
homosexuality and the creation of a highly
visible urban gay and lesbian culture.
The nascent Nazi regime rapidly put an end
to this liberality with the murder and
imprisonment of tens of thousands of gays
and lesbians. As part of Pride Month,
Deutsches Haus @ NYU presents a series
of films which commemorate this heritage.
15. OCT Different from the Others &
(B/W, Silent w/English subtitles. 20 minutes.)
Weird Tales (both 1919)
(B/W, Silent w/English intertitles. 75 minutes.)
A double bill featuring two films by Richard Oswald, unsung German director
of wildly sensationalist films, few of which survive. In Different from the
Others, the first on-screen portrayal of homosexuality, a successful
violinist (Conrad Veidt) is tortured on one hand by his secret passion for
his student, on the other by the blackmailer threatening to ruin him. In
Weird Tales, Veidt returns in a dramatization of stories by Robert Louis
Stevenson and Edgar Allen Poe. Co-starring Anita Berber, Berlin's
notoriously decadent lesbian performance artist.
22. OCT Pandora's Box (1926)
(B/W, Silent w/English intertitles. 110 minutes.)
Arguably director G.W. Pabst's masterpiece, this film features Louise Brooks
as Lulu, the ultimate good-time girl, whose mad romp through Berlin's
underworld defies every notion of middle-class morality and conventional
gender roles. Lulu's casual destruction of her many beaux and her
flirtations with same-sex love lead her to the bad end common to so many
"modern" women in popular literature.
05. NOV Desire (1991)
(Color, in English and German w/English subtitles. 120 minutes.)
This moving documentary (produced by Britain's Channel Four) on the
historical origins of the gay and lesbian movement in Germany's Weimar
Republic is replete with the testimonials of those who were its actors and
those who survived the oppression and violence of the years which followed.
19. NOV Mädchen in Uniform (1931)
(B/W, in German w/English subtitles. 90 minutes.)
Manuela, a girl at a militaristic boarding school, challenges the authority
of the principal through her love for her young teacher and very nearly
pays the ultimate price for her affections. Often read as an anti-fascist
allegory, Mädchen is undoubtedly one of the greatest stories of same-sex
love of our century.
All screenings start at 7 P.M.
ADMISSION IS FREE.
Screenings will take place in the
Deutsches Haus auditorium,
42 Washington Mews.
(corner University Place across from Weinstein Hall)
REFRESHMENTS WILL BE SERVED.
For more information, contact Deutsches Haus at (212) 998-8663
or Matthew Johnson at (212) 244-6375
[email: mdj200@is8.nyu.edu]
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:33:07 -0700
From: Jack Kolb <kolb@ucla.edu>
Subject: Fwd: "Sexual Pathology" - New on the "Jekyll and Hyde" web page
>Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:55:41 -0500
>From: mdanahay@UTARLG.UTA.EDU
>Subject: "Sexual Pathology" - New on the "Jekyll and Hyde" web page
>Sender: VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society
> <VICTORIA@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>To: VICTORIA@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>Reply-to: VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society
> <VICTORIA@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>
>I have added a new section to the "Psychology of Jekyll and Hyde" web page
>at:
>
>http://www.uta.edu/english/danahay/jekyllsite.htm
>
>It's a section entitled "Sexual Pathology" in which I summarize briefly
>the argument of Stephen Heath's "Psychopathia Sexualis: Stevenson's
>Strange Case" (with which I disagree completely, BTW - too much Freudian
>cigar smoke and mirrors) and reproduce the releveant section of
>Krafft-Ebing's *Psychopathia Sexualis* on "Lust-Murder." The descriptions
>of violence, sadism, evisceration and necrophilia in the "case studies"
>Krafft-Ebing cites are pretty horrifying, so this section is intended only
>for mature readers who can differentiate representations of violence and
>actual violence.
>
>
>Martin Danahay
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 06:43:55 -0700 (PDT)
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:37:56 +0100
From: "Sam Pryke" <PRYKES@hope.ac.uk>
Subject: The allure of the prostitute.
Can anyone suggest a reference/throw any light on the following issue? Cathy Peiss in Cheap
Amusements, working women and leisure in turn of the century America (1986) suggests that the
image of the prostitute was a partial role model to young working class women in fin-de-siecle
NYC: ¡In the promiscuous spaces of the streets, theatres and dance hall, prostitutes provided a
cultural model both fascinating and forbidden to other young working class women¢. They were
she argues, ¡Tantalised by the fine dress, sexual expressiveness and apparent independence¢.
However, whilst they might appropriate parts of the style, the prostitute continued to mark ¡the
boundary between fallen and respectable¢. Does anyone know if there is any evidence to suggest
that the prostitute in this image was attractive to young working women in Britain or other
countries, c. 1900? It could be that this was something largely peculiar to the social juxtaposition
of New York City. Peiss also covers blatantly suggestive dancing in the commercial dance halls
of Manhattan, and the attempts to curtail/regulate it. Does anyone know if this was an issue
elsewhere?
Thanks,
SAM PRYKE
________________________________________________________________ From: "Margaretta Jolly" <jolly@moa.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute.
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:49:13 +0100
You might be interested in Ruth Rosen's book on prostitution at the turn of
the century, though it is about America. She also edited the best collection
of letters I've ever read (and I've read a lot) The Maimie Papers, ed Rosen
and Sue Davidson (Virago), which are letters from an ex-prostitute/'kept
woman', Maimie Pinzer, to her gentile patroness/supposed reformer, Fanny
Quincey Howe, from 1910-1922. They give a lengthy and perceptive account of
the attractions of 'prostitution' from the point of view of a prostitute.
Margaretta
University of Sussex
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:13:40 +0100
From: Ianthe <ianthe@duende.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute.
In message <s7fb34a0.041@smtp.hope.ac.uk>, Sam Pryke <PRYKES@hope.ac.uk>
writes
>Does anyone know if there is any evidence to suggest that the
>prostitute in this image was attractive to young working women in Britain or
>other countries, c. 1900?
I can think of a forthcoming book whose author you might
want to ask (no, sorry, I don't have her e-mail)...
_Troublesome Girls: Preventing Prostitution in England, 1860-1914._
By Paula Bartley. Forthcoming from UCL Press, to be published
late 99 or early 2000.
Other English/British books are...
Dyhouse, Carol.
Girls Growing Up in Late Victorian and Edwardian England.
Routledge and Kegan Paul Ltd, London, 1981.
Gorham, Deborah. The Victorian Girl and the feminine ideal.
London, Croom Helm, 1982.
Mitchell, Sally. The New Girl - Girls' Culture in England,
1880-1915.
Behlmer, George. Child Abuse and Moral Reform in England,
1870-1908. Stanford University Press, 1982.
Bristow, E.J. Vice and Vigilance - purity movements in
Britain since 1700. Gill & Macmillian, Dublin, 1977.
Simeral, I. Reform movements on behalf of children in
England in the early nineteenth century, and the agents
of those reforms. Clifton, NJ (USA), 1916.
Smith, L.
Take Back Your Mink - Lewis Carroll, child masquerade
and the age-of-consent.
ART HISTORY, vol.16, Spring 1993, pp.369-385. Bib, ill.
Stanley, Lawrence A.
The Construction of Age-Appropriate Heterosexuality in
Late Victorian England.
(Forthcoming - I have his e-mail address if you care to e-mail me)
And I expect you've probably already seen....
Walkowitz, Judith. City of Dreadful Delight - narratives
of sexual danger in late Victorian London. London,
Virago, 1993.
--
I can also think of a modern parallel with the way in which
some Japanese schoolgirls openly choose "Enjo-Kosai" (compensated
dating) as a way of earning big money for a lavish consumer
lifestyle, without any pimps. A survey backed by the National
Congress of Parents and Teachers of 1,700 students aged 14 and
15 (age-of-consent for sexual intercourse is 13 in Japan) found
that almost 17 percent of Japanese female students in their
senior year of junior high school did not think teenage
prostitution was wrong. The survey also found that, among the
girls who responded, 4 percent said they felt no reluctance
to have sex in exchange for money and 13 percent said they
did not feel much reluctance. (Japanese culture usually sees
the Western Puritan guilt associated with sex and the body
tiresome, even perverted.) Articles online here...
http://www.dtinet.or.jp/~ja1rna/shojo/shojo.html
http://www.weekender.co.jp/LatestEdition/970704/behind.html
--
Ianthe Duende
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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:21:21 +0100
From: "Sam Pryke" <PRYKES@hope.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute.
Thanks Margaretta, I'll check this source. I think JRL Manchester have it.
SAM
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From: cdummitt@sfu.ca
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 17:37:45 PDT
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute. (fwd)
Sam,
>I'm not sure if she is on the list but I think Carolyn Strange's
_Toronto's Girl Problem: The Perils and Pleasures of the City, 1880-1930_
(1995) makes a good companion to Peiss' _Cheap Amusements_. Certainly it
shows that New York is not a complete exception. And then there is Judith
Walkowitz' _City of Dreadful Delights_ (1990?) which, while a bit earlier,
would be worthwhile to read if one is thinking of prostitution in late
Victorian London.
>
>hope this helps,
>chris dummitt
Chris Dummitt
Doctoral Candidate
Department of History
Simon Fraser University
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Transsexuals/transvestites in C16th-C17th Britain/Europe
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:15:19 +0100
I have been asked for information on the above subject. Does anyone =
better informed about the period and/or the historiography of gender =
transgression than myself have any suggestions for must-reads, or at =
least, useful sources?
Thanks in advance
Lesley
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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From: "N.D. GERODETTI" <splndg@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:34:26 +0000
Subject: A Swiss history of homosexuality
Can anyone suggest references that would be of interest to
research on homosexuality and gender in Switzerland at the
beginnning of this century? I am currently working on a project that
attempts to map out somewhat of a Swiss history of
homosexuality, particularly the ways in which the Criminal Justice
Bill has changed and shifted and the ways in which notions of
gender have been deployed in the forty years of debating the Bill.
Thanks,
Natalia Gerodetti
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Natalia Gerodetti
School of Sociology & Social Policy
University of Leeds
Leeds LS2 9JT
________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:37:51 +0100
From: Paula <fa1912@wlv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute.
Dear All
This is Paula Bartley - the book is called Prostitution: Reform and
Prevention in England 1860-1914 Routledge 1999. It really deals with
attempts to eliminate prostitution rather than prostitution itself. I've
lost the original e-mail so if you send it to P.Bartley@wlv.ac.uk then I'll
obviously try to help.
All the best
Paula
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From: "Margaretta Jolly" <jolly@moa.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute.
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:11:07 +0100
I've thought of another book that brings the
attractions/interests/investments of life as a prostitute alive: Gail
Hershatter's Dangerous Pleasures: Prostitution and Modernity in Twentieth
Century Shanghai.
It is an amazing book which shows how prostitution and prostitutes worked as
a discourse in China's national identity, in which the elaborate 'courtesan'
culture was cited nostalgically by old guard aesthetes and mandarins, and
berated/reformed by 'modernists'.
But it also gives a detailed picture of life lived by the many different
kinds of prostitutes themselves, and how they reacted to communist
clean-ups.
Margaretta Jolly
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From: "Dr Gail Hawkes" <G.Hawkes@mmu.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:05:57 +0100
Subject: Re: Transsexuals/transvestites in C16th-C17th Britain/Europe
Dear Lesley
Marjorie Garber,Vested Interests, Sabrina Petra Ramet has
edited a volume called Gender Reversals and Gender Cultures with
Routledge in 1996, Peter McCormick's edited collection Dangerous
Sexualities from Routledge i think in 1995.
Hope this helps. I'll be in touch about a visit.
Best,
Gail
Dr Gail Hawkes
Department of Sociology
Manchester Metropolitan University
Tel: +44 (0) 161 247 3464
Fax. +44 (0) 161 247 6321
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Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:06:46 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: Transsexuals/transvestites in C16th-C17th Britain/Europe
The book by Rudolf Dekker and Lotte van der Pol that however covers mostly
the 18th c. is an obvious option. I can't tell you the English title (it
has been translated into English).
Gert Hekma
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Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 12:57:22 +0100
From: Paula <fa1912@wlv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Transsexuals/transvestites in C16th-C17th Britain/Europe
Dear Lesley
Suggest you contact Alison Oram
Best wishes
Paula Bartley
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From: "Rictor Norton" <norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Transsexuals/transvestites in C16th-C17th Britain/Europe
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:22:58 +0100
One page of my website has the complete transcript of a trial in 1732 in =
which the butcher John Cooper prosecuted another man for stealing his =
clothes. During the testimony given at the trial it transpired that =
Cooper was known to all his contemporaries as "Princess Seraphina" and =
that he regularly borrowed dresses etc. from the women in his =
neighborhood and picked up men at masquerades, and was an active member =
in the molly subculture. Some mollies dressed up as women on special =
occasions (festivals and masquerades) but Cooper is the only man we know =
about who seems to have done it on such a regular basis that he could be =
called a drag queen.=20
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/seraphin.htm
On the other hand, a great many women dressed as men, either for the =
sake of masculine independence or for the sake of establishing marital =
relations with other women, and there is a large body of research on =
this subject. For the homosexual aspects of this phenomenon see my book =
_Mother Clap's Molly House: The Gay Subculture in England 1700-1830_ =
(London: Gay Men's Press, 1992), and Emma Donoghue's book _Passions =
Between Women: British Lesbian Culture 1668-1801_ (London: Scarlet =
Press, 1993; there is also an American edition) .
It seems plausible that some of these "female husbands" etc. should be =
perceived as female-to-male transsexuals or "transgendered persons" =
rather than as "lesbians". See a very interesting historical survey by =
Jason Cromwell, "Passing Women and Female Bodied Men: (Re)Claiming FTM =
History", in Kate More and Stephen Whittle (eds), _Reclaiming Genders: =
Transsexual Grammars at the Fin de Siecle_ (London: Cassell, 1999).
--=20
Rictor Norton
mailto:norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/gayhist.htm
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:55:18 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: A Swiss history of homosexuality
Natalia,
I am aware of the following books that also contain some (or more) material
on criminal law in Switzerland:
Helmut Puff (ed) Lust Angst Provokation. Homosexualitat in der Gesellschaft
Goettingen Zuerich Vanderhoeck 1993 has a specific article on criminal law
history
Hubert kennedy, Der Kreis, Berlin Rosa Winkel Verlag 1999 (also to be
published in Journal of Homosexuality in English) is about the homophile
movement and its journal in Switzerland, 30's till 60's.
Kuno Trueeb (u-umlaut, e) und Stephan Miesche (eds) Maennergeschichten.
Schwule in Basel seit 1930, Basel, Basler Zeitung, 1988.
Goodby to Berlin. Hundert Jahre Schwulenbewegung (Berlin Rosa Winkel 1997)
has an article on the Swiss gay movement by Manfred Herzer.
Gert Hekma
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:30:39 +0000
Subject: Hirschfeld exhibit in Cincinnati; "Bilderlexikon"
From: ralfdose@t-online.de (Ralf Dose)
Dear Colleagues,
Those of you who live near Cincinnati, OH, or happen to go there
during the next weeks will have a chance to visit our exhibition on
the Hirschfeld Institute for Sexual Science (1919-1933) there. It is
presented by he Department of Germanic Languages and Literatures at
the University of Cincinnati at the Max Kade Cultural Center (in the
Old Chemistry building, UC campus) October 18-November 5, 1999. The
exhibit can be viewed Monday through Friday from 8 AM to 5 PM. For
further information, call (513) 556-2752.
By the way, recently, I came across something very fascinating:
Those of you who read (some) German (or ar looking for a stock of
pictures from erotic cultural history) may be interested in a new
electronic edition of the rather rare "Bilderlexikon" (4 vols,
1928-1931). The original was edited by the former Vienna Institute for
Sexual Research and is not only a bibliophile treasure but one of the
mayor sources in (German and European) cultural history of the
Twenties and early Thirties. We proudly possess a copy in our research
library. The four volumes contain more than 6000 delicately printed
illustrations, and most of them are included in the electronic edition
(except some with copyright problems, but the gaps are indicated). The
edition comes with a full text retrieval system which makes it very
easy to find literally any word or context you are looking for. If you
are lucky enough to find the books somewhere, they are usually sold
for more than 1.000 DEM up to 1.500 DM; the rather cheap electronic
edition is more than a bargain. The edition is called "Bilderlexikon
der Erotik" and was published this year as a part of the "Digitale
Bibliothek", vol. 19 by Directmedia Publishing in Berlin. For more
information, I recommend a look at their website - unfortunately,
this, too, is only in German: http://www.digitale-bibliothek.de
Magnus-Hirschfeld-Gesellschaft e.V.
Forschungsstelle zur Geschichte der Sexualwissenschaft
Chodowieckistr. 41, D-10405 Berlin
http://www.in-berlin.de/user/hirschfeld
ralfdose@magnus.in-berlin.de office e-mail
x49-30-441 39 73 office phone/fax
ralfdose@t-online.de home e-mail
x49-30-215 94 74 home phone
________________________________________________________________ From: "Dr Gail Hawkes" <G.Hawkes@mmu.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:19:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Conference
Dear Cris,
I organised the Sexual Diversity Conference at Manchester Met.
University. It was a great success and I would be happy to
communicate with you about it.
For the moment, take a look at:
http://www.miid.net/diversity/
which contains the conference programme. and
http://www.miid.net/cssc/index.htm
which contains the framework of the post-conference organisation.
Briefly, we convened formally the International Association for
Studies in Sexuality, Culture and Society, with Gil Herdt from SFSU
as President and myself as President-elect. We are holding the 3rd
Conference in 2001, at a venue to be decided by input from the
members - at this stage South Africa looks a possibility. If you
would like to be included on the mail list, you would be most welcom,
as would any other list members. Publications are in the early
stages, but I envisage contracting these early in the new year. I'll
keep you posted.
Many thanks for your interest
Gail
Dr Gail Hawkes
Department of Sociology
Manchester Metropolitan University
Tel: +44 (0) 161 247 3464
Fax. +44 (0) 161 247 6321
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:08:36 +0100
From: Paula Bartley <fa1912@wlv.ac.uk>
Subject: Canadian Social Hygiene Council
Anyone know where I might find information on the Canadian Social Hygiene
Council (probably based in Toronto) circa 1919-1925? I think they were a
social purity group focussing on the elimination of venereal disease and
were perhaps involved in campaigns against 'white slavery'.
Thanks
Paula Bartley
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. G. McLaren" <amclaren@UVic.CA>
Subject: Re: Canadian Social Hygiene Council
I say a bit about the Council in Our Own Master Race: Eugenics in Canada,
1880-1945 (Toronto, 1990). I think Mariana Valverde also discusses its
activities in her book on moral purity in Canada.
Angus McLaren
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From: "Todd-Mancillas, Bill" <BTODD-MANCILLAS@csuchico.edu>
Subject: RE: Conference
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:08:28 -0700
I would like to be added to the mailing list:
<<btodd-mancillas@csuchico.edu>>
--Thanks, Bill Todd-Mancillas
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:09:52 +0100
From: cristina santos <cristina@fe.uc.pt>
Subject: Re: Conference
Dear Dr. Gail
Thanks for your mail. I'm obviously interested in whatever you'll be
organizing from mow on, concerning mainly conferences. And I would also
like to be included in the mailing list you mentioned. One more thing:
will the abstracts of the conference be available on-line soon? And
congratulations on the pictures, it seems you really had a good time. I
just wish I'll be there next time!...
Cris
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:15:55 +0100
From: "Sam Pryke" <PRYKES@hope.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute.
Margaretta --
I wish I had known of this book when I was writing an article on 'nationalism and sexuality' a
couple of years ago (now published). As I remember, I was surprised by the lack of specific
coverage of Shanghai's vice pre1949, given that prostitution and all that went with it -- opium,
etc. -- was a key symbolic issue in the Communists attempt to confront imperialism and the
degradation of Chinese women by foreigners and their indigenous lackeys. I got some general
stuff from general histories of the country and the city, but nothing especially relevant to national
identity. Prostitution is on its way back big time in China I gather, though it won't be the sort of
eceonomic development Jiang Zemin is likely to discuss with Blair whilst he is over here this
week.
>From what you say of Hershatter's book it sounds similar to quite a good book by Margot
Badran, Feminists, Islam and nation, Gender and the making of Modern Eygpt (1995). There's
also some good stuff in you have a particular interest on the approach to sexuality (specfically
homosexuality) of mid-C20 Third World nationalist movements in a collection edited by
Reinfelder, Amazon to Zami and in Gevisser & Cameron (eds), Defiant Desire.
I will try and check the book out. Thinking about it, I vaguely remember reading when I was
teaching English in PRC 1988/9 an interview in a Studs Turkel collection with a former
Shanghai prostitute who had been led into it and out of it -- so she implied -- through a process of
sexual awakening. All of this is some way from embelishing an article on the 'girl question'
question in Edwardian Britain, but its interesting.
Thanks for the reference
SAM
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From: "Donna Larsen" <ladydonna85@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pin Up Models
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:46:42 PDT
I am going to do a paper on the history of pin-up models. I want to of
course include Betty Page and the girls of that era, as well as a little on
the camera clubs where many of them got their start, but I also want to
touch on the Drummer boys, and the animated ones such as Betty Boop, and
Jessica Rabbit. Anyone got any suggestions for resources.
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From: "Margaretta Jolly" <jolly@moa.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:50:50 +0100
I haven't yet introduced myself, though have added a few comments to the
conversation! I teach literature and life history at the University of
Sussex (Dept of Culture and Community Studies) with a special interest in
lesbian studies.
I am currently teaching an MA option in Theories of the Lesbian Subject, and
an undergraduate course in Literature and Sexualities.
I am interested in life writing and sexuality, particularly in relation to
letters, that I explored somewhat in Dear Laughing Motorbyke: Letters from
Women Welders of the Second World War, Scarlet Press, 1997.
I look forward to continuing the enjoyable conversation,
Margaretta Jolly
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:48:59 -0700
From: Dr_Sex <Dr_Sex@netidea.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
At 12:46 PM 10/18/1999 PDT, Donna Larsen wrote:
>I am going to do a paper on the history of pin-up models. I want to of
>course include Betty Page...
I think it is spelled "Bettie." A&E TV did a documentary on her not too
long ago, in which she chose not to appear. There are many websites
devoted to her. There are even some wav files of her voice. Also, a well
known airbrush artist named Olivia DeBerardinis has used her image in some
of her work.
David
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David S. Hersh, Ed.D., FAACS Clinical Sexologist
Personal Website http://www.netidea.com/dr_sex/
"Sexology NetLine" http://home.netinc.ca/~sexorg
Nelson, BC - Planned Parenthood http://www.netidea.com/npp/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
________________________________________________________________ From: "Margaretta Jolly" <jolly@moa.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:33:14 +0100
I wrote an article 'Love Letters vs. Letters Carved in Stone: Gender, Memory
and the Forces Sweethearts Exhibition' in War and Memory, ed. Martin Evans,
Berg 1997, that looks briefly at the use of pinups in The Imperial War
Museum in the context of the use of pinups of women in the military context.
Joanna Lumley's Forces Sweethearts is the popular book of the exhibition,
and although not academic, is interesting material for analysis!
Margaretta
________________________________________________________________
From: "Margaretta Jolly" <jolly@moa.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: The allure of the prostitute.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:52:48 +0100
Sam -
Glad the Hershatter was thought-provoking. Further thinking on China and
sexuality: does anyone know of any critical work on Anchee Min's amazing
autofiction, Red Azalea? A favourite of mine for being a
lesbian/bisexual/heterosexual coming out story all in one, and for
positioning sexuality as truly revolutionary in the context of the Cultural
Revolution. (Keep trying to link it with Foucault.)
(ps I do know of Wendy Somerson's article on the book, but that's all.)
Margaretta
SAM
Margaretta Jolly
________________________________________________________________
From: "Rictor Norton" <norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Karl Heinrich Ulrichs: 175 Years of Pride in 2000
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:37:59 +0100
August 28, 2000 marks the 175th birthday anniversary of Karl Heinrich
Ulrichs, the first person known to have spoken out publicly in defense of
same-sex rights more than 130 years ago. On that day there will be a
gathering beside his grave at L'Aquila, nr Rome, to celebrate the event. An
invitation to attend this event and details about Ulrichs' life are found at
the very interesting illustrated website:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000
--
Rictor Norton
mailto:norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/gayhist.htm
________________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:48:02 +1000
From: James Lambert <lambertj@webspinning.com.au>
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
Allow me to introduce myeslf...
My name is James Lambert and am a lexicographer based in Sydney
Australia.
I am interested in the language of sex and sexuality and am currently
writing a book on the word "fuck".
The book will cover all the meanings and uses of the word, both literal
and figurative, from its earliest records to present. These basic areas
will be discussed
(in no particular order)
* the use of "fuck" to refer to sexual intercourse other than "straight"
heterosexual coupling
* the etymology of "fuck" and cognate words in other languages (German
"ficken", etc.)
* false etymologies (eg For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, etc.)
* the use of "fuck" in other languages
* the supression of the word in literature
* the treatment of the word in dictionaries
* language taboo
* synonyms for "fuck", both in English and other languages
* euphemisms for "fuck" (eg the F word, fugging, freaking, f**k, etc.)
* jokes about the word
* the use of the word on the internet
* use of "fuck" in pornographic literature ("pornographese")
* differences in usage between US/Brit/Aust/NZ/Sth Afr/ etc.
...and much more.
Before asking for help I should first outline what information I have
already gathered.
So far I have a very good coverage of the word from the Victorian era
onwards, but am lacking in examples dating from the 16th to 18th
centuries and would greatly appreciate any references to sources in this
period. So far I have looked at the Scottish poet William Dunbar
(16thC), Rochester's(?) "Sodom" (17thC), and the unexpurgated Burns, and
have a few stray citations from other sources, but all of these have
already been looked at reasonably closely by other lexicographers, and
it would be nice to bring to light some new evidence from this era.
I have read Allan Walker Read's 1934 article "An Obscenity Symbol", but
have not been able to track down his update to this.
I also have access to the journal "Maledicta".
I am keen to hear from anyone who can help out in any way at all in
terms of references and possible sources [I am especially desirous to
hear from anyone who has access to the journal "Verbatim", which no
Sydney library holds!, for it contains an article which records the
earliest known example of "fuck" found so far].
Beyond this project I also have a database of (principally English)
sexual terms dating from the 16thC onwards, plus a good collection of
relevant reference works, and am happy to offer anyone information on
the origin, history and meaning of particular sexual terms of interest,
whether technical, literary or slang.
My only publication is "The Macquarie Book of Slang" (Macquarie Library,
Sydney, 1996) - a popular dictionary of Australian slang.
James Lambert
________________________________________________________________
From: "Jennifer Ailles" <jailles@hotmail.com>
Subject: F-Word
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:09:58 PDT
Hi James,
You might want to check out "The F-Word" Edited by Jesse Sheidlower.
Published by Random House Reference. 2nd edition came out 1999 in North
America. ISBN 0375706348.
For my own intro...
My name is Jennifer Ailles and I am a MA Candidate in English at the
University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada. My current thesis work involves an
historically contextualized queer reading of both Shakespeare's "Romeo and
Juliet" and contemporary adaptations of the play.
Jennifer Ailles
________________________________________________________________ From: "N.D. GERODETTI" <splndg@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:56:05 +0000
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
I have already put an inquiry out to the list but forgot to introduce
myself: my apologies!
My name is Natalia Gerodetti, I am a doctoral student at Leeds,
GB, looking at the ways in which the Swiss state has engaged
with notions of gender and homosexuality in the development of the
Criminal Justice Bill which was to legalise homosexuality in 1942.
The project has undergone significant changes in that the initial
intention was to do comparative work on contemporary lesbian and
gay politics in Britain and Switzerland. However, Switzerland
somewhat lacks comparable data and my interests took a
diversion onto working specifially on a Swiss history of
homosexuality and the ways it has been gendered.
There are my interests, about the list I'd like to say at this point
that I have found it useful as well as enjoyable and what a good
idea!!
Natalia
_________________________________________________
Natalia Gerodetti
School of Sociology & Social Policy
University of Leeds
Leeds LS2 9JT
________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:12:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Houlbrook M <mhoulb@essex.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Donna
You might want to try the holdings of the Public MOrality Council at the
London Metropolitan Archive. Although they started off as a typical social
purity group regulating street prostitution / fallen women etc by the
1940s and 50s they had shifted more towards monitoring different forms of
literature and commercial entertainment (TV etc). One of their files
contains dozens of magazines 'of the pin up type'. I'm not sure of the
exact reference - A/PMC/?.
Hope that helps.
Matt Houlbrook.
________________________________________________________________
From: "Lucas Brandão" <spocky_brandao@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:56:43 EDT
Well, I forgot to introduce myself too, sorry!
My name is Lucas Brandao, I'm a brazilian student very interested in this
kind of subject. I do not have a special reason, or interest, by now, but
this list calls my attention.
Nothing more to say, my greetings to everyone,
Lucas
________________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:39:03 -0700
From: Dr_Sex <Dr_Sex@netidea.com>
Subject: Introductions
I'm David Hersh. I'm a clinical sexologist in private practice -
essentially retired. See signature below.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David S. Hersh, Ed.D., FAACS Clinical Sexologist
Personal Website http://www.netidea.com/dr_sex/
"Sexology NetLine" http://home.netinc.ca/~sexorg
Nelson, BC - Planned Parenthood http://www.netidea.com/npp/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
________________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:47:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jennifer Evans <be82312@binghamton.edu>
Subject: belated intro
I have lurked on this list for some months now, never taking the time to
introduce myself.
I am a PhD candidate in the history department at the State University of
New York at Binghamton, currently looking at urban "asocial" sexuality and
the reconstruction of German national identity.
My work focuses on post WWII Berlin in an attempt to understand how
competing notions of sexual delinquency differentially shaped the
political landscape of national belonging for the men and women of the
emerging two Germanys. I focus primarily on Berlin police and court
records outlining all manner of sexual transgressions
(Sittlichkeitsdelikte) to understand how the reemergence of the debate on
"asociality" at first on a local and eventually on a national level
functioned against calls for the reconstitution of the family.
I look forward to many more interesting discussions on the list!
Jennifer
-----
Jennifer Evans
Department of History
SUNY-Binghamton
be82312@binghamton.edu
________________________________________________________________
From: ScarletMagazine@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:08:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Introductions
I generally lurk here, because I'm too bloody tired to comment. :)
I'm heather Corinna, I edit and publish a number of sexuality publications
for women, run a sex advice column, and write freelance for various
publications.
By the by, on the pinup research note, there's a really wonderful book called
simply "The History of the Pinup" I've really enjoyed.
(and it is, indeed, Bettie)
HC
________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:59:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stian Westlake <westlak@fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Introductions
I've been lurking for a long time, so I ought to introduce myself too.
My name's Stian Westlake, and I'm a Kennedy Scholar (i.e. visiting Brit)
at Harvard University doing work on various things, none of which is
directly connected with the History of Sexuality.
However, I'm currently doing some research on perceptions of eunuchs in
Muslim Spain, so many of the theoretical issues discussed on this list are
of great interest to me.
Regards,
Stian Westlake.
________________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:13:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: The Wife Of An Acrobat <a_living_dead@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Introductions
Hi There!
I'm also new to the list.
My name is Janell and I'm a literature teacher in
Mexico.
Now, essentially, doing research in erotism, relations
with the body (rejections and acceptances) and image
of the women (gender studies) in Cuba's contemporary
literature.
My latest work (still unpublished) is about the
relations of food and women's erotism in two cuban
writers and 3 of their novels.
That's really why I'm here, cos I really need to
learn!
Glad to be here!
Janell
________________________________________________________________From: "Todd-Mancillas, Bill" <BTODD-MANCILLAS@csuchico.edu>
Subject: RE: Introductions, etc
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:12:01 -0700
My name is William R. Todd-Mancillas. I am a professor of human
communication studies and have been teaching in this field for about 25
years. I am specifically interested in studying communication strategies
for the initiation, maintenance, growth, and demise of personal
relationships. My interests in human sexuality complement my interests in
learning how to better teach personal communication theory and pragmatics.
________________________________________________________________
From: "Donna Larsen" <ladydonna85@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:58:22 PDT
Didn't the idea of pin up models start during WWII, by Hollywood who would
send glamour photos of female movie stars? I am having trouble finding any
reference to that, or anything else having to do with pin-up, or glamour
photography in any of the major encyclopidia's I know I have spent the
better part of five hours in two days looking with no luck at all. Then
again I am still an amature researcher.
________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:50:30 GMT
From: dcsouden@nildram.co.uk (David Souden)
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
Dear Listmembers
I have joined the list to tap into what is going on, rather than having
specific research interests. I am an independent TV documentary producer
and a non-fiction author, based in London; some of my projects - mainly
unmade - have been concerned with sexuality in various ways. I am currently
developing a television idea on syphilis and STDs. I have found for
previous projects that lists such as this can be interesting and useful - I
can and do provide information as well as learn from others.
David Souden
________________________________________________________________
From: "Zoetanya Sujon" <zsujon@hotmail.com>
Subject: introduction . . .
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:43:09 GMT
Hi y'all,
I've been a member of this list for a long time, but haven't yet introduced
myself. I'm a fourth year sociology student at Carleton University. I'm
particularly interested in the politics and socio-cultural dynamics of phone
sex (as an industry and form of work / entertainment). I have recently
discovered a book by Amy Flowers called 'The Fantasy Factory' which so far
appears to be an interesting piece of explortory research. However, I have
not come across very many references to (or sources on) phone sex. Does
anyone have any references?
I think this is a great list, and I've enjoyed reading the messages,
questions and points of interest. I hope all is well with everyone,
Ciao,
Zoe
________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:05:25 GMT
From: dcsouden@nildram.co.uk (David Souden)
Subject: Re: introduction/phonesex
Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
FAO Zoe of Carleton U
There is a wonderful sequence in Robert Altman's movie Short Cuts. The
phonesex worker has her family crowding round as she performs.
David Souden
________________________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:03:44 -0400
From: Michelle Elleray <mde3@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
Another intro: my name's Michelle Elleray and I'm a grad student in the
English Dept at Cornell University. I work on representations of the
South Pacific: first, British negotiations of the region (esp. in
<italic>Coral Island</italic>), then the mechanisms by which British
descendants came to represent themselves as local to the region in the
settler countries of New Zealand and Australia. Along the way I look at
missionary concerns with infanticide in Tahiti, the conflation of
cannibalism and homosexuality, the homoerotics of mateship, and anxieties
around the white settler woman's role in the constitution of settler
society through the family. I have an essay out there on the
intersection of nationality and sexuality in <italic>Heavenly
Creatures</italic>, have taught on constructions of sapphism/lesbianism
in early 20th-c British lit, and am currently finishing up an essay on
Ngahuia Te Awekotuku looking at her attempts to write same-sex desire
into a Maori framework rather than a Western one.
I'm oh so glad this list exists and looking forward to the discussions on
it,
Michelle
________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:03:42 +0200
From: "Heike, Tine & Anna Boedeker" <boedeker@netcologne.de>
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
as for my intro, i have a background in Cognitive Anthropology and got
interested in Ethnopsychoanalysis during the initial stages of my graduate
studies. for my PhD project i have done fieldwork w/ Native groups in
Southern Central Alberta, Canada. currently i'm mostly interested in
sex/gender related group fantasies.
best,
heike
________________________________________________________________
From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: introduction : phonesex
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:55:13 +0100
'Kathleen K' , _Sweet Talkers_ (Richard Kasak Books 1994), which is stated
to be by a manager of a phone-sex line who also worked as an operator.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
-
________________________________________________________________ From: "Margaretta Jolly" <jolly@moa.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:53:02 +0100
Yes, that was the gist of the Forces Sweethearts Exhibition: the launch of
the pinup as a domestic photo of girl from home in the context of military
morale, only later becoming more sexualised.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donna Larsen <ladydonna85@hotmail.com>
To: Histsex:For historians of sexuality <histsex@listbot.com>
Date: 20 October 1999 09:42
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
>Histsex:For historians of sexuality -
http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
>Didn't the idea of pin up models start during WWII, by Hollywood who would
>send glamour photos of female movie stars? I am having trouble finding any
>reference to that, or anything else having to do with pin-up, or glamour
>photography in any of the major encyclopidia's I know I have spent the
>better part of five hours in two days looking with no luck at all. Then
>again I am still an amature researcher.
________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:54:17 -0700 (MST)
From: Tim Hodgdon <Tim.Hodgdon@asu.edu>
Subject: Etymology of "fuck"
I would like to float the suggestion that a study of the
etymology of "fuck" should include recent radical-feminist
analysis of the word, and the political nature of the
practices it names. Certainly this would shed much light on
the suppression of the word in public speech: to refuse to
name the practices and attitudes toward the
gendered-feminine (the sexual objects that the verb takes)
is to exclude those practices of male supremacy from
political analysis.
Come to think of it, why is there so little discussion of
sexual coercion and violence on a list devoted to the
history of sexuality?
Tim Hodgdon
Ph.D. candidate
Faculty Associate
Department of History
Arizona State University
Tim.Hodgdon@asu.edu
________________________________________________________________
From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Introductions, etc
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:58:17 +0100
David Souden wrote
> I am currently
>developing a television idea on syphilis and STDs.
I hope you've checked on my paper 'The Great Scourge: syphilis as medical
problem and moral metaphor in the fin de siecle', which is on my website!
I'm currently working on a co-edited volume (several of the contributors are
on this list), 'Sex, Sin and Suffering: venereal diseases in European social
context since 1870'.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:31:04 -0700
From: Heather Lee Miller <miller.1438@osu.edu>
Subject: Re: introduction . . .
Flowers has an essay (which you've probably already seen) published in
James Elias et al., <italic>Prostitution</italic> (1998).
>Hi y'all,
>
>I've been a member of this list for a long time, but haven't yet
introduced
>myself. I'm a fourth year sociology student at Carleton University.
I'm
>particularly interested in the politics and socio-cultural dynamics of
phone
>sex (as an industry and form of work / entertainment). I have recently
>discovered a book by Amy Flowers called 'The Fantasy Factory' which so
far
>appears to be an interesting piece of explortory research. However, I
have
>not come across very many references to (or sources on) phone sex. Does
>anyone have any references?
________________________________________________________________ From: "Dr Gail Hawkes" <G.Hawkes@mmu.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:23:04 +0100
Subject: introductions, contd!
Dear All, I am delighted to have found this list. It is genuinely
refreshing to open the messages - spam is not a word which is at all
appropriate. I teach at Manchester Metropolitan University - social
theory and my own course on the Sociology of Sex and Sexuality. My
first book came from this course and was published in 1996. Since
then I have developed my interests in the relationship between
modernity and the constructions of sexualities and desires in the
Western context, focusing particularly at the moment on the
realtionship between the shaping and regulations of sexual pleasures
and the social order. This is the topic of a text I am finishing at
present. I also was honoured to have hosted a wonderful gathering of
scholars from across the world on the topic of Sexual Diversity and
Human Rights, at this university in July this year. I have since
established with the support of my Faculty, a Centre for Studies in
Sexuality and Culture, which will be affiliated to the International
Association for Studies in Sexuality, Culture and Society.
The atmosphere on this list is as warm and generous as that which
accompanied threee days in July here. I think there is something
about scholars of sexuality and culture!
Warm greetings to all, and thanks
Gail
Dr Gail Hawkes
Department of Sociology
Manchester Metropolitan University
Tel: +44 (0) 161 247 3464
Fax. +44 (0) 161 247 6321
________________________________________________________________
From: "Zoetanya Sujon" <zsujon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: introduction : phonesex
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:33:00 GMT
Thank-you for the phone sex references, I will definitely look them up!
Cheers,
Zoe
________________________________________________________________
From: along@crt.state.la.us (Alecia Long)
Subject: Query: Prostitutuion in the United States following the Civil War
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:38:25 -0500
Dear list members,
I am doing research on sexual culture in New Orleans from 1862 -1920. I
have a fairly solid grasp of the secondary material on prostitution,
particularly for the United States, but am having trouble finding citations
or other secondary material germane to one nagging question.
I think there must be a direct relationship between the explosion in the
numbers of prostitutes in American cities and the high rates of male
casualties in the Civil War. If I have seen a reference or citations to
this in the secondary literature, I have lost it or can't remember ever
having come across one.
Can anyone help me out with suggestions for secondary sources or ways that
I might reasonably test out the above assertion for myself?
I thank you in Advance,
Alecia P. Long, Historian
Louisiana State Museum
along@crt.state.la.us
________________________________________________________________
From: Mal123nash@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:07:38 EDT
Subject: Karl Heinrich Ulrichs: 175 Years of Pride in 2000
Dear List Owner,
I would like to send mail to the list. I don't know if I'm doing this
right, but I'll go ahead anyway.
I would like to ask subscribers if they would look at an educational site
Paul Nash has created. His cover-letter appears below. I hope they enjoy the
site and consider themselves invited.
With best wishes,
Michael Lombardi-Nash, Ph.D.
6858 Arthur Court
Jacksonville, Florida 32211 USA
mal123nash@aol.com
(904) 744-7879
____________________________________
This is a personal invitation to celebrate the 175th birthday anniversary
of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, the first known person to speak out publicly in
defense of same-sex rights more than 130 years ago.
I've prepared a text and picture website with the details of the invitation
(works best in Netscape Navigator): <A
HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000">CELEBRATION 2000:Karl
Heinrich Ulrichs</A>
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000
It takes about a half-hour to read. I've used the word Gay to be inclusive of
everyone interested in same-sex love -- that "riddle of nature."
I also spent months surfing the web. I saw many wonderful sites and read many
interesting bulletin boards, guest books, and lists. Gay activism is alive
and well. Keep up the good work!
Please pass this email on to as many people or places as possible. I'm
sending this out early for Gay History Month (October) and to give you plenty
of time to make travel arrangements.
I hope you'll do three things: (1) go to L'Aquila if you can or (2) do
something in some way to celebrate, and (3) write something by email or
regular mail that I can put into the festschrift/memory book (see the web
site for details).
I hope you enjoy the website and will celebrate this great man's life with
people from around the world on August 28, 2000, and throughout the whole
year. Let's find unity via the Web! Let me know what city you're writing
from; email never indicates it.
In Gay love,
Paul Nash
6858 Arthur Court
Jacksonville, FL 32211
(904) 744-7879
________________________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:17:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Houlbrook M <mhoulb@essex.ac.uk>
Subject: ?
Could anyone tell me where the phrase 'another love' / 'another love'
(used to refer to homosexuality) comes from originally? I've read it
somewhere but mislaid my reference...
Thanks
Matt Houlbrook.
________________________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:22:42 +1000
From: Hera Cook <hera.cook@history.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Query: Prostitutuion in the United States following the Civil War
Just out of curiosity, could you explain why you think there would be such a
direct relationship?
Thanks,
Hera
Alecia Long wrote:
> Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
> Dear list members,
>
> I am doing research on sexual culture in New Orleans from 1862 -1920. I
> have a fairly solid grasp of the secondary material on prostitution,
> particularly for the United States, but am having trouble finding citations
> or other secondary material germane to one nagging question.
>
> I think there must be a direct relationship between the explosion in the
> numbers of prostitutes in American cities and the high rates of male
> casualties in the Civil War. If I have seen a reference or citations to
> this in the secondary literature, I have lost it or can't remember ever
> having come across one.
>
> Can anyone help me out with suggestions for secondary sources or ways that
> I might reasonably test out the above assertion for myself?
>
> I thank you in Advance,
>
> Alecia P. Long, Historian
> Louisiana State Museum
> along@crt.state.la.us
--
Dr Hera Cook
Phone 61 2 9351 2862
Fax 61 2 9351 3918
History Department
MacCallum Building A17
University of Sydney
NSW 2006
Australia
________________________________________________________________
From: along@crt.state.la.us (Alecia Long)
Subject: RE: Query: Prostitutuion in the United States following the Civil War
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:15:34 -0500
Yes, and I'm sorry, I should have made that point more explicitly when I
sent the query. Obviously, the high numbers of casualties in the Civil War
resulted in lots of children who did not have father's as they grew up. I
believe that this "missing generation of men" -- potential husbands and
fathers -- combined with the economic dislocations of reconstruction (the
Depression of 1873 in particular), resulted in pronounced economic
vulnerability for the generation that followed. I think that was
especially true in the case of girl children. The de facto economic
vulnerability of women in the South, the unforgiving patriarchal standards
of respectable Southern womanhood, and the dearth of employment
opportunities (very little manufactuing, etc. . .) meant that women were
particularly vulnerable economically as they entered adulthood in the last
couple of decades of the nineteenth-century. This vulnerability was
multiplied as these women entered Southern cities like New Orleans, where,
outside respectable marriage and motherhood, most women had extreme poverty
or prostitution to choose from.
Or so I think. Would be interested to toss this around and get some ideas
on how to demonstrate this, if, in fact, it is a valid assertion.
Thank you,
Alecia Long
________________________________________________________________
From: "docx2" <docx2@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Introduction
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:37:17 -0700
Dear folks,
I joined this list a couple of weeks ago, but have not had a chance to
introduce myself until now. I am a physician and sexologist in private
practice in San Francisco, and a Professor at the Institute for Advanced
Study of Human Sexuality. My research centers around S/M, but I have many
other interests. My CV, if anyone is interested, can be found at the URL
below.
I do have two questions with which someone on this list may be able to
help:
1) Does anyone know who first used the term "sexual orientation?"
2) Does anyone know of any depiction of S/M acts prior to 1500?
Take care,
Charles Moser
http://pweb.netcom.com/~docx2/CV.html
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "David F. Greenberg" <dg4@is3.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Introduction
On Oct. 23, Charles Moser asked:
> 2) Does anyone know of any depiction of S/M acts prior to 1500?
To answer this question it would be helpful to know what is meant by an
"S/M act." If the definition is broad enough to include Roman
crucifixions and circus games, or torture that has sexual overtones, then
I'm sure there are depictions prior to 1500. But those episodes do not
have some of the cultural definitions of the contemporary American S/M
subculture (e.g. prisoners thrown to the lions, or gladiators who fought
to the death were not engaged in role-playing, as we understand it). -
David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University.
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Introduction: pre 1500 S/M
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:30:58 +0100
I have a very vague recollection of some group mentioned in Huizinga's
_Waning of the Middle Ages_ (?called something like the Tourlupins?) who did
various things which were kinky in terms of accepted norms of sexual
conduct. I'm not sure it was strictly s/m however. If you're interested I'll
see if I can still lay hands on the book and check the reference.
But I would assume (rightly or wrongly) that most medieval depictions of
torture, flagellation etc would be of events intended to be non-consensual
and non-erotic. (Ditto self-flagellation by monks, I suppose)
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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From: "Zoetanya Sujon" <zsujon@hotmail.com>
Subject: group fantasies
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:36:37 GMT
Heike,
Can you plese define what you mean by group fantasy? I've recently
developed an interest in 'cultural narratives' (as developed by Ken
Plummer). Although this is a new area for me, and one that I feel needs to
be greatly developed, I'm particularly interested in cultural fantasy(ies)
and the symbolic function of such fantasies.
I find your brief description of your PhD. interesting and would love to
hear more!
Thanks,
Zoe
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From: "docx2" <docx2@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction: pre 1500 S/M
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:36:21 -0700
Thank you for your interest.
There were clearly people that were involved in S/M type activities prior to
1500. I am particularly interested in documenting the depictions of these
activities. Some flagellation was recognized as sexual, apparently that is
at least part of the reason that Popes Adrian IV and Clement VI tried to ban
it. There is also a suggestion that some priests were "prosecuted" during
the Inquistion, for personally inflicting the penance (usually whipping) on
penitents. Consent is always difficult to understand in historical
situations, but I am sure that some individuals clearly found sexual release
in these activities.
Take care,
Charles Moser
________________________________________________________________ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:23:05 +1000
From: Hera Cook <hera.cook@history.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Hi Donna,
Try books on female movie stars (Betty Grable etc) of the period
or on Hollywood still photography. The pinups have been commented on frequently
in popular books on the movies. Books on the photographers would probably be
useful once you have their names.
However, though this depends on you define the term, my memory is that pinups
started much earlier - as soon as cheap prints of photographs of vaudeville stars
or similar became possible.
Hera
Dr Hera Cook
Phone 61 2 9351 2862
Fax 61 2 9351 3918
History Department
MacCallum Building A17
University of Sydney
NSW 2006
Australia
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:04:00 +1000
From: Hera Cook <hera.cook@history.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Query: Prostitutuion in the United States following the Civil War
Thanks for the reply. More questions -
Re New Orleans, are you thinking about white or black women who may have worked as
prostitutes?
Was the number of male casualities in the Civil War high in terms of the male
population as a whole or high in terms of the percentage dead of those who fought?
Did a high percentage of the black male population fight and die?
What does 'entering New Orleans' refer to in this instance? Black internal migration?
White internal migration?
What about urbanisation in the South in this period? Are there secondary sources on
the relationship between prostitution and urbanisation in the USA?
Alecia Long wrote:
> Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
> Yes, and I'm sorry, I should have made that point more explicitly when I
> sent the query. Obviously, the high numbers of casualties in the Civil War
> resulted in lots of children who did not have father's as they grew up. I
> believe that this "missing generation of men" -- potential husbands and
> fathers -- combined with the economic dislocations of reconstruction (the
> Depression of 1873 in particular), resulted in pronounced economic
> vulnerability for the generation that followed. I think that was
> especially true in the case of girl children. The de facto economic
> vulnerability of women in the South, the unforgiving patriarchal standards
> of respectable Southern womanhood, and the dearth of employment
> opportunities (very little manufactuing, etc. . .) meant that women were
> particularly vulnerable economically as they entered adulthood in the last
> couple of decades of the nineteenth-century. This vulnerability was
> multiplied as these women entered Southern cities like New Orleans, where,
> outside respectable marriage and motherhood, most women had extreme poverty
> or prostitution to choose from.
>
> Or so I think. Would be interested to toss this around and get some ideas
> on how to demonstrate this, if, in fact, it is a valid assertion.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alecia Long
Dr Hera Cook
Phone 61 2 9351 2862
Fax 61 2 9351 3918
History Department
MacCallum Building A17
University of Sydney
NSW 2006
Australia
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From: "Charles Moser" <docx2@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:43:52 -0700
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David F. Greenberg <dg4@is3.nyu.edu>
>> To: Histsex:For historians of sexuality <histsex@listbot.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 11:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: Introduction
>>
>>
>> > Histsex:For historians of sexuality -
>> http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>> >
>> > On Oct. 23, Charles Moser asked:
>> > > 2) Does anyone know of any depiction of S/M acts prior to 1500?
>> >
>> > To answer this question it would be helpful to know what is meant by an
>> > "S/M act." If the definition is broad enough to include Roman
>> > crucifixions and circus games, or torture that has sexual overtones,
>then
>> > I'm sure there are depictions prior to 1500. But those episodes do not
>> > have some of the cultural definitions of the contemporary American S/M
>> > subculture (e.g. prisoners thrown to the lions, or gladiators who
fought
>> > to the death were not engaged in role-playing, as we understand it). -
>> > David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University.
>> >
>>
Dear folks,
To be clear, I am looking for clearly sexual images. I am aware of the
veiled inferences to S/M in the early art. Nevertheless, there are numerous
clearly sexual depictions of acts with men, women, groups, and animals.
After 1500, there are a number of art pieces that clearly show this, but I
can not find any that predate the 1500's. Just as a point, Havelock Ellis
quotes the following Egyptian Love Song from 1200 BC, so I believe that S/M
existed prior to that time:
"Oh! were I made her porter, I should cause her to be wrathful with me.
Then when I did but hear her voice, the voice of her anger, a child shall I
be for fear." (cited in Ellis, H. [1936] Love and Pain, Vol 1, Part 2,
Studies in the Psychology of Sex. New York: Random House, p.112-113;
referenced to Wiedermann, _Popular Literature in Ancient Egypt_. p.9).
I have also seen two Ice Age carvings (from Kosienki) which depict bondage
which is quite similar to what is seen today in S/M literature.
Hope this clarifies the issue.
Take care,
Charles Moser
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Introduction: pre 1500 S/M
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:33:51 +0100
Charles Moser wrote
>penitents. Consent is always difficult to understand in historical
>situations, but I am sure that some individuals clearly found sexual
release
>in these activities.
Looking at the paintings of St Sebastian in the National Gallery I have
always had the suspicion that he was enjoying himself....
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:32:16 +0100
Hera Cook wrote (Hi Hera! How are things in Sydney?)
>my memory is that pinups
>started much earlier - as soon as cheap prints of photographs of vaudeville
stars
>or similar became possible.
And weren't there cheap postcards of 'Society Beauties' (e.g. Lillie
Langtry - I wonder if the recent bio of her says anything about this?) as
well as music-hall stars, actresses etc, by the late C19th.
I assume by 'pin-up girls' is meant pictures of clothed rather than nude
women?
Lesley
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:36:08 +0100 (BST)
From: LJ Hall <Lisa.J.Hall@bristol.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Introduction: pre 1500 S/M
I would personally be very wary of using images of St Sebastian as an
indication of any contemporary sexual practises or ideologies, carrying
as they do such a heavy weight of nineteenth century symbolic meaning.Is
it the writings of St Teresa which seem to express an almost overtly
sexual reaction to self-flagellation etc.?
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Lesley Hall wrote:
> Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
> Charles Moser wrote
> >penitents. Consent is always difficult to understand in historical
> >situations, but I am sure that some individuals clearly found sexual
> release
> >in these activities.
>
> Looking at the paintings of St Sebastian in the National Gallery I have
> always had the suspicion that he was enjoying himself....
>
> Lesley Hall
> lesleyah@primex.co.uk
> website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Introduction: pre 1500 S/M
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:19:49 +0100
Lisa J Hall wrote:
>I would personally be very wary of using images of St Sebastian as an
>indication of any contemporary sexual practises or ideologies, carrying
My comment was - I thought fairly clearly - not entirely serious.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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From: "Donna Larsen" <ladydonna85@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:53:30 PDT
Vaudevulle! Thank you I had not even thought of that as a key word. I will
try punching that into my encyclopedia and see what comes up.
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From: "Donna Larsen" <ladydonna85@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:58:11 PDT
I think in the earlier days all of the pin-ups may have been clothed, but I
have some rather beautifull photos in my collection of Betty Page in the
buff. I beleive some of them were shot by Bunny Yeager, who I have not been
able to find any photos of her on the internet.
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:15:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Shafali Lal <shafali.lal@yale.edu>
Subject: queary
I am a gradaute student at Yale University in American Studies and am
beginning work on a cultural history of adolescent and child care in
postwar America. I am particularly looking for primary sources on sexual
education, dating and marriage among racial and ethnic minorities if
anyone knows of any good archival sources.
Thanks much
Shafali
Shafali Lal 705 Orange Street
Ph.D. Candidate in American Studies New Haven CT 06511
Yale University 203.777.8614
shafali.lal@yale.edu
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:42:43 +1000
From: Hera Cook <hera.cook@history.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Great, but don't spell it as you have below! vaudeville I think but don't trust
me either.
Check the indexes in theatre histories to get other forms of popular theatre as
well as vaudeville.
Hera
Donna Larsen wrote:
> Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
> Vaudevulle! Thank you I had not even thought of that as a key word. I will
> try punching that into my encyclopedia and see what comes up.
--
Dr Hera Cook
Phone 61 2 9351 2862
Fax 61 2 9351 3918
History Department
MacCallum Building A17
University of Sydney
NSW 2006
Australia
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:40:58 +0200
From: "Heike, Tine & Anna Boedeker" <boedeker@netcologne.de>
Subject: Re: group fantasies
Dear Zoetanya,
a GF (or by Bion also labelled "gang fantasy") is a term for shared
fantasies of individuals when in groups (which may or may not be congruent
to what is perceived as "cultures"). the most basic, and probably one of
the few true human universals, is that the group was the mother's body and
had goals and motives of its own. that is to say that all group ("social")
phenomena have psychological explanations. when individuals in groups act
differently from acting alone, this is b/c they split their psychic
conflicts differently, not b/c some "social" force was acting on them
(although that, of course, is what this basic GF dictates as "perception").
i'm not sure what you mean by symbolic function. neither GFs nor individual
Fs are topically constricted to a narrow scope, they very well can cross
the boundaries of psychological and materially manifest "realities", and
that's what makes especially GFs thinkably powerful defenses as ppl can
consensually validate (or "socially construct", though constructivists
won't like that) them as "reality".
all the best,
heike
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Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
From: Gillian Rodger <grodger@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:29:50 +0000
I've seen advertisements for pictures of good looking, scantily dressed
actresses in the Police Gazette of the 1870s and 1880s--long lists of names.
While the actresses shown in this newspapers (in etched prints taken from
publicity photographs) were dressed, they were as good as naked for the day.
See, for example, Olive Logan's protest against such actresses which
includes the phrase "Nude women" in the title.
One prominent theatrical photographer in both England and America was the
Saroney family. I've seen a number of Sarony's photos of men but I'm sure he
did women too.
Also check out http://www.footlightnotes.com which includes a section on
theatrical postcards. The man who runs the site knows a lot about early
theatrical photography and may be able to help you. There are also links to
other potentially helpful sites there.
Good luck,
Gillian Rodger
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:28:47 -0400
From: "Brenda J. Marston" <bjm4@cornell.edu>
Subject: new Sexuality Research Guide
I've recently joined this list, at Alan Miller's recommendation. I serve
as curator of Cornell University's Human Sexuality Collection, and am
pleased to announce some improvements to our web site that may be of
interest to the members of this list. I warmly invite you to check out our
new online Sexuality Research Guide. Details are below. -- Brenda Marston
___________________
The website for Cornell University Library's Human Sexuality Collection is
revised, and the new address is: http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/HSC/
The updated website features a new Sexuality Research Guide designed to
address better the needs of our online researchers, some of whom are
inexperienced with primary source research.
This guide is available at: http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/HSC/faq/hscfaq.htm
The goal of the Sexuality Research Guide is to give tips about how to
approach a range of questions and research topics on sexuality and to
clarify when and how Cornell's Human Sexuality Collection may be of use. I
hope this guide will prove helpful to many people doing research in this
field, whether or not they end up using sources in the Human Sexuality
Collection.
The guide points users to good sources for secondary literature and help on
general research topics, provides sexuality-specific research advice,
explains the process of using primary sources (both rare books and
manuscripts), and explains how to access relevant material in the Human
Sexuality Collection. It also provides background on the study of
sexuality and resources for those teaching LBG Studies.
We are still working on the design of these pages, but the content is all
there and functional.
I will be looking for feedback about the guide's effectiveness and invite
you to review it and share your ideas. A feedback form is available at the
footer of each page.
Thank you for taking a look at it and offering your suggestions for
improvements,
Brenda Marston.
(please send any suggestions directly to me)
-------------------------
Brenda J. Marston
Curator, Human Sexuality Collection
and Library Women's Studies Selector
Division of Rare and Manuscript Collections
2B Carl A. Kroch Library
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853-5302
(e-mail) bjm4@cornell.edu (phone) 607-255-3530 (fax) 255-9524
http://rmc.library.cornell.edu
"Study without action is futile - action without study is fatal."
American Association of University Women
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From: HayGirl99@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:26:53 EDT
Subject: Medieval Sexuality
Hi all,
I'm currently studying women in the Medieval period. Knowing that women
were seen as second to men and therefore under their control in sexual
situations, I would like to know a little bit more about the sex lives of
people in the Middle Ages---especially royalty and nobility, etc. I haven't
had much luck in finding any resources, if anyone else knows where I can
look, please let me know! I'd really appreciate it!
~Hailey
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Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
From: Gillian Rodger <grodger@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:46:56 +0000
Certainly vaudeville. But also don't forget to check burlesque in both the
19th & theearly 20th Cs. That's where the semi-naked women were in both
centuries. You might also want to look for names of individual performers
and follow the footnotes of Martin Rubin's *Showstoppers: Busby Berkeley and
the Tradition of Spectacle* (or any similar work on revue).
"Spectacular" and "pantomime" might also yield some results.
Gillian Rodger
----------
> From: Hera Cook <hera.cook@history.usyd.edu.au>
> To: "Histsex:For historians of sexuality" <histsex@listbot.com>
> Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:42:43 +1000
>
> Histsex:For historians of sexuality -
http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
>
> Great, but don't spell it as you have below! vaudeville I think but don't
trust
> me either.
> Check the indexes in theatre histories to get other forms of popular
theatre as
> well as vaudeville.
> Hera
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From: Mal123nash@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:40:03 EDT
Subject: Re: queary
Shafali, would you look at this book and see if it would be of any help:
<A HREF="http://www.prometheusbooks.com/site/catalog/humans3.html">Borneman:
Childhood Phases</A> . There is information there about teaching, but I'm not
sure about primary sources.
M. Lombardi-Nash
Karl Heinrich Ulrichs: 175 Years of Pride in 2000
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000/">CELEBRATION 2000</A>
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From: "Robin Hood" <mozowin@gtw.net>
Subject: New prostitution pages
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:30:01 -0000
This URL may or may not have anything to do with history, but I thought I
would cite it, because of your previous discussions regarding prostitution
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ae4811/bordello/bordello.html
Robin
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:32:21 +0100
Eliot Borenstein wrote
> Could someone point me to any articles/books that have been written
>about the construction of sexuality sex manuals and advice books (the
>geographic area is not important)?
There is some discussion of this in Roy Porter and Lesley Hall, _The Facts
of Life: the creation of sexual knowledge in Britain, 1650-1950_ (Yale UP,
1995). But my impression is that it is largely an under-studied area. There
have been some articles on particular sub-groups, e.g. anti-masturbation
tracts, sex-education literature, and one or two on marriage manuals.
Lesley Hall
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:53:50 +0400
From: Eliot Borenstein <eb7@is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
Hello, list,
I am a specialist in Russian literature and cultural studies at New
York University, and have written a few articles on contemporary Russian
sexual discourse, pornography, and masculinity. I am also the author of a
book on masculinity and revolution in early Soviet fiction (Duke UP, Fall
2000, forthcoming).
Currently I am working on a book-length study of contemporary
Russian popular culture, which includes a long chapter on sexuality. Which
finally brings me to my question:
Could someone point me to any articles/books that have been written
about the construction of sexuality sex manuals and advice books (the
geographic area is not important)? I have been collection dozens of
Russian sex manuals for almost a decade, and am thinking about doing an
article on the topic.
Thank you very much,
Eliot Borenstein
Assisant Professor
Dept. of Russian & Slavic Studies
New York University
eb7@is2.nyu.edu
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From: "Lucas Brandão" <spocky_brandao@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction: pre 1500 S/M
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:03:02 EDT
After a long time away... I read those messages and I was thinking...
Can the acts you mencioned before (such gladiators and much more) be
"classified" as s/m? For me, they don't seem to be, cause they have a more
acurate political and cultural purpose. If they have a sexual meaning, it
wasn't a consensus.
See you,
Lucas
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From: Reumann@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:38:37 EDT
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
On Russia, in particular, you will want to consult Laura Engelstein's book _The Keys to
Happiness_, which examines early 20th century advice literature on sex.
- Miriam Reumann
Dept. of Biology
Brown University
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:44:13 -0400
From: Fred Nesta <Nesta_F@spcvxa.spc.edu>
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
I believe that there is some discussion of it in _For sex education, see
librarian : a guide to issues and resources_ by Martha Cornog and Timothy
Perper. Westport, Conn : Greenwood Press, 1996. There is also _Sex
education books for young adults, 1892-1979 _ by Patricia J.
Campbell., Bowker, 1979.
Sex education is the speciality of SIECUS, the Sexuality Information and
Education Council of the US. Contact their library for more information:
SIECUS
130 West 42nd Street, Suite 350
New York, NY 10036-7802
Phone: 212/819-9770
Fax: 212/819-9776
Email: siecus@siecus.org
And, as a belated introduction, I used to be the librarian at SIECUS and
became interested in the field. My own interests are in Victorian
sexuality.
Fred Nesta
Director, Saint Peter's College Libraries
2641 Kennedy Blvd.
Jersey City, NJ 07306
(201) 915-9387 / Fax: (201) 432-4117
http://www.spc.edu/library
"But we're a university! We _have_ to have Library! ... It adds _tone_.
What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the Library?"
"Students," said the Senior Wrangler morosely.
-- (Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent --------------
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From: "Lucas Brandão" <spocky_brandao@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:06:27 EDT
Donna Larsen wrote:
>I think in the earlier days all of the pin-ups may have been clothed, but I
But surely they had a sex-appeal intention, didn't they?
Lucas
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From: "Chris Willis" <chris@chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:19:54 +0100
Hi!
There's a very good article on pin-ups in today's Guardian at:
http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/women/story/0,3604,95879,00.html
All the best
Chris
=========================================
Chris Willis
English Dept
Birkbeck College
Malet Street
London WC1E 7HX
Chris@chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk/
=========================================
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From: "Donna Larsen" <ladydonna85@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:32:30 PDT
Oh very much so. I am guessing that is why there is so very little in the
general encyclopedias
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From: MillerJimE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:12:23 EDT
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
In a message dated 10/26/1999 1:12:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
eb7@is2.nyu.edu writes:
<< Could someone point me to any articles/books that have been written
about the construction of sexuality sex manuals and advice books (the
geographic area is not important)? I have been collection dozens of
Russian sex manuals for almost a decade, and am thinking about doing an
article on the topic. >>
I know that Alex Comfort, author of The Joy of Sex and More Joy of Sex
wrote a companion book about what he was trying to do in writing these sex
manuals. Unfortunately I have forgotten the title, and if I still own a copy
it is buried in a box somewhere.
Jim Miller
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From: "Margaretta Jolly" <jolly@moa.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:02:53 +0100
I wondered if anyone can suggest examples of full-length non-western life
writings (autobiographies, letter-collections, diaries, autobiographical
essay collections, travel writings) by gay, lesbians or bisexuals that deal
explicitly with their sexuality? I have found it surprisingly difficult to
come up with examples other than Mishima's Confessions of a Mask; Anchee
Min's Red Azalea and the many editions of 'minority ethnic' voices that are
published as anthologies rather than single author texts (most of these
being published and written in North America in any case). I realise I have
been limited by looking within English language publications, and would be
pleased to have references to titles in other languages.
Thanks,
Margaretta
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:43:41 +1000
From: Hera Cook <hera.cook@history.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
Hi,
For my doctoral thesis 'The Long Sexual Revolution: British women, sex and
contraception in the twentieth century,' I examined all the sex manuals published
in Britain between 1918 and 1973. This is the most comprehensive coverage of sex
manuals that I know of - it covers all the major American manuals also as these
were published in UK editions. It should be available from Sussex University in
the next few months - the system is just grinding through the final stages. Not
all of the thesis is devoted to the manuals and if you wanted to know more about
specific aspects I might be able to help.
Lesley should also have mentioned her book 'Hidden Anxieties: Male Sexuality
1900-1950,' Polity Press, London, 1991. In that she discusses several manuals
and she is the only writer who has considered male sexuality in this context.
Margaret Jackson has a radical feminist interpretation of the manuals. She has a
chapter in 'The cultural construction of sexuality' Routledge, 1987, 1993, edited
by Pat Caplan and has also written a book - 'The real facts of life: Feminism and
the politics of sexuality, c1850-1940' Tatlor and Francis, London, 1994. I don't
find her work useful because she has no interest in the physical body and an
extremely limiting and negative view of male and heterosexual/bisexual female
sexuality - even as a potential.
There are also a number of articles or short treatments which are listed in my
bibliography. I have to say that I think what can be said about manuals on the
basis of brief cursory examinations has already been said many times. There may
be more recent historiography specifically about the American context (does
anyone have suggestions?) - but Americans seem to be more interested in the sex
surveys or research and even where the advice literature comes into this category
it tends to be addressed in this context.
You might find Fran Bernstein's thesis helpful if you are not already aware of
it.
Frances Bernstein, "What Everyone Should Know About Sex:
Gender, Sexual Enlightenment, and the Politics of Health in
Revolutionary Russia, 1918-1931" (PhD dissertation, Columbia
University, 1998).
Hera Cook
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:14:21 -0700
From: Jack Kolb <kolb@ucla.edu>
Subject: early examples of sadomasochism
I posted to the CLASSICS list the following
>Someone on the Histsex (Historians of sexuality) list asked about "any
>depiction of S/M acts prior to 1500."
>Could I ask for the assistance of the list in suggestions? Presumably
>the reference would be to consensual acts.
Here are some responses:
One that comes to mind is a Greek vase with a naked woman spanking a naked
(older?) man with a sandal(?) that has been interpreted as consensual S/M.
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e-mail: lccurran@acsu.buffalo.edu
Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~lccurran/
phone: (716) 839-5361
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Undoubtedly, what follows, is S/M in a slightly diluted dose (in
comparison with the 'normal,' modern full-strength measures we read
about and see depicted on screen); and, anyway, S/M on a placid
Sunday/Morning seems a bit untoward. But Lucretius's algedonic passage in
Bk. IV (1037-1083), dealing with Venus and kissing, has always made me
think in terms of sadomasochistic reciprocities. Love, often enough in
literature, is described by wound metaphors, and by the infliction as well
as joyful reception of pain:
quod petiere, premunt arte faciuntque dolorem
corporis, et dentes inlidunt saepe labellis
osculaque adfligunt, quia non est pura voluptas
et stimuli subsunt qui instigant laedere id ipsum,
quodcumque est, rabies undellaec germina surgunt. 1079-83
There are a number of descriptions of passionate kissing in antiquity
involving biting where, we must assume, an equal degree of sadism in one
partner is happily balanced by an equal degree of masochism in the
other.
But as I say, for modern tastes, these are probably rather pedestrian
demonstrations; S/M in a minor key. We would have centuries to wait
before seeing the Master strapping a naked girl to a table and having a
hot omelette (eaten with a sharp fork) served upon her buttocks (as
Burgess observes). EJM (Ernest Moncada <emonc@erols.com>)
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There are several images of men beating prostitutes in Keuls *Reign of the
Phallus* (illustrations 164ff). Whether this is sexual cruelty or cruelty
in a sexual context, or whether there is any difference
There's some cruelty mixed with attempts at sexual stimulation in the
Quartilla episode of Petronius *Satyricon* (esp. 20ff).
And Tibullus has always seemed to me to tend that way, although maybe I'm
reading him anachronistically. See especially the poems about the woman he
calls Nemesis, e.g. Tibullus 2.3.83f
ducite: ad imperium dominae sulcabimus agros,
non ego me vinclis verberibusque nego.
The entire next poem (2.4) seems like something Sacher-Masoch might have
wished he'd written.
JMP("Pilosus") (James M. Pfundstein <jmpfund@bgnet.bgsu.edu>)
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Leo Curran wrote:
>One that comes to mind is a Greek vase with a naked woman spanking > naked
(older?) man with a sandal(?) that has been interpreted as >onsensual S/M.
I assume that this is the cup by the Antiphon Painter in the Arndt
Collection, ARV 339, 55. It's reproduced in Keul's "Reign of the Phallus
(a book mentioned by J.M. Pfundstein in this connection), illustrating
the section entitled "The Battering of Prostitutes with Sticks and
Sandals" (p. 183 of the lst ed.). On the same page (of the lst ed.,
at least) is a photo of a pot showing a prostitute kissing a man's
hand and, in the background, a "boy with sandal markings."
The problem here is one that occurred to me when I first read Jack Kolb's
posting with its request for depictions of "consensual" S/M. How would
one *know* that what is being depicted is "consensual"? There are no
words above the prostitute being whapped with a shoe proclaiming, "Papai,
algw kalws" ("Ooooh, it hurts so good.").
Finally, for what it's worth, I'd like to propose a literary scene of
"S/M averted." In the "Golden Ass" (3.13-14), Photis hands Lucius
a whip (lorus) and asks him to thrash her for her role in the "Festival
of Laughter" prank to which Lucius had just been subjected. Lucius
emphatically rejects this invitation, though not without giving us a
titillating little hint of what it would have been like to take Photis
up on this: "omnium quidem nequissimus audacissimusque lorus iste,
quem tibi verberandae destinasti, prius a me concisus atque laceratus
interibit ipse, quam tuam plumeam lacteamque contingat cutem...."
David Lupher
Classics Dept.
Univ. of Puget Sound
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The Boston Museum has a wonderful little case full of Greek vases depicting
men paddling women with sandals. As I remember, there's a cruddy little
1950's-vintage typed plackard in the case that says something about the
"widespread fourth-century sandal-wielding theme."
A. G. Kozak
University of California at Berkeley
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Jack Kolb
Dept. of English, UCLA
kolb@ucla.edu
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Date: 27 Oct 1999 18:09:21 -0000
From: "Histsex:For historians of sexuality" <histsex-owner@listbot.com>
Subject: List etiquette: a few hints
Please could posters ensure, when sending a message to the list, that the
header actually reflects what their post is about? I.e. changing it if
they are sending their message in reply mode to another post on a
different topic.
Also, as far as individuals' e-mail systems permit, it would be helpful if
they a) included enough of previous postings to which they are responding
to make sense to anyone who missed or has forgotten the post on which they
are commenting b) deleted previous posts unless of direct relevance to the
response (especially if there is a whole string of these)
Many thanks
Lesley Hall
histsex-owner@listbot.com
lesleyah@primex.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:37:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "David F. Greenberg" <dg4@is3.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: early examples of sadomasochism
Could you say where this vase depicting a spanking scene has been
published? - David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:47:24 +0100
From: Gert Hekma <hekma@pscw.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
Aks the Homodok in Amsterdam at info@homodok.nl or look at their website
www.homodok.nl -- they will have certainly some non-English material
available. They also make lists on request.
Gert Hekma
At 11:02 AM 10/27/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Histsex:For historians of sexuality - http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
>
>I wondered if anyone can suggest examples of full-length non-western life
>writings (autobiographies, letter-collections, diaries, autobiographical
>essay collections, travel writings) by gay, lesbians or bisexuals that deal
>explicitly with their sexuality? I have found it surprisingly difficult to
>come up with examples other than Mishima's Confessions of a Mask; Anchee
>Min's Red Azalea and the many editions of 'minority ethnic' voices that are
>published as anthologies rather than single author texts (most of these
>being published and written in North America in any case). I realise I have
>been limited by looking within English language publications, and would be
>pleased to have references to titles in other languages.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Margaretta
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From: "Donna Larsen" <ladydonna85@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pin Up Models
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:46:57 PDT
Thank you for pointing me to that article
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From: "Rictor Norton" <norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Studies of sex manuals/advice books (and introduction)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:26:11 +0100
Margarette asks:
<I wondered if anyone can suggest examples of full-length non-western life
<writings (autobiographies, letter-collections, diaries, autobiographical
<essay collections, travel writings) by gay, lesbians or bisexuals that deal
<explicitly with their sexuality?
The following might give useful pointers, and contain autobiographical
material (or interviews):
Jackson, Peter A.
Dear Uncle Go: Male Homosexuality in Thailand. Floating Lotus Books, 1996.
Miller, Stephen D. (ed.)
Partings At Dawn: An Anthology of Japanese Gay Literature. San Francisco:
Gay Sunshine Press, 1996.
(especially Minakata Kumagusu and Iwata Jun'ichi, "Morning fog
(correspondence on gay lifestyles", trans. William F. Sibley, pp. 135-71. )
Thadani, Giti
Sakhiyani: Lesbian Desire in Ancient and Modern India. London: Cassell,
1996.
Roscoe, Will and Murray, Stephen O. (eds)
Boy-wives and Female Husbands: Studies in African Homosexualities. London:
Macmillan Press, 1999.
Kulick, Don
Travesti: Sex, Gender, and Culture among Brazilian Transgendered
Prostitutes. University of Chicago Press, 1998.
Trevisan, Joao
Perverts in Paradise [i.e. Brazil], trans. Martin Foreman. London: GMP
Publishers, 1986.
Lumsden, Ian
Machos, Maricones and Gays: Cuba and Homosexuality. Latin American Bureau,
1997.
Carrier, Joseph
De Los Otros: Intimacy and Homosexuality Among Mexican Men. Columbia
University Press, 1995.
Prieur, Annick
Mama's House, Mexico Cita: On Transvestites, Queens and Machos. World of
Desire Series, University Chicago Press, 1998.
(Though you may not consider Mexico to be "non-Western".)
Schmitt, Arno
Bio-Bibliography of Male-Male Sexuality and Eroticism in Muslim Societies.
Berlin: Verlag Rosa Winkel, 1995.
Schmitt, Arno and Sofer, Yehoeda (eds)
Sexuality and Eroticism among Males in Moslem Societies. Haworth Press,
1991.
Murray, Stephen O. and Roscoe, Will (eds)
Islamic Homosexualities: Culture, History and Literature. New York
University Press, 1997.
--
Rictor Norton
mailto:norton@rictor.freeserve.co.uk
Bibliography of Gay and Lesbian History:
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/bibhist.htm
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From: "Lesley Hall" <lesleyah@primex.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Incest & the Law
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:44:18 +0100
I presume that you have already seen the Blackburn and Bailey article on the
1908 Punishment of Incest Act. It was certainly intended as a child
protection measure, but I don't think anyone has undertaken any detailed
investigation of its implementation. Where do you get your cases from? -
since I wo